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Nintendo rep on why they have no Achievements.

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occono from Ireland. Since: Apr, 2009
#1: Jan 23rd 2011 at 10:19:10 AM

YES.

...Even if lots of their individual games have their own personal Achievements systems. But that leaves how they operate up to the game.

edited 23rd Jan '11 10:21:36 AM by occono

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Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#2: Jan 23rd 2011 at 10:23:28 AM

I really like achievement systems and completing lists. It's satisfying to me. I don't really care about other people's achievements and scores so I don't give a shit that Nintendo's achievement systems are game specific and such. Unless I know you and like you your gamer penis means nothing to me.

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
EviIPaladin Some Guy Or Something from Middle-Of-Nowhere, NS Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: Noddin' my head like yeah
Some Guy Or Something
#3: Jan 23rd 2011 at 10:28:11 AM

Found the comments more enlightening than the actual article. Despite being a huge Nintendo fanboy until a few years ago, I think they are just trying to wimp out on doing an overall point system on their console.

Mind you, I never really care about Achievements and/or Trophies, so I am ambivalent to their decision.

"Evii is right though" -Saturn "I didn't know you were a bitch Evii." -Lior Val
NULLcHiLD27 Since: Oct, 2010
#4: Jan 23rd 2011 at 10:57:30 AM

Were people really asking Nintendo about achievements that much? The idea never even crossed my mind. And I love achievements (or rather, that little sound effect you hear when you get one).

And [lol] at the guy that thinks achievements are just pointless and a waste of time but thinks a random glitch like "getting above the flagpole in world 1-1 in Super Mario Bros." isn't.

edited 23rd Jan '11 10:58:56 AM by NULLcHiLD27

Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#5: Jan 23rd 2011 at 11:00:15 AM

They could be to him. Everyone has different ideas of interesting and good ways to spend time. Sadly the moment such people try to pass their opinions off as objective truth that all should abide by is the moment I start shanking bitches.

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
Cliche Since: Dec, 1969
#6: Jan 23rd 2011 at 11:13:37 AM

"And LOL at the guy that thinks achievements are just pointless and a waste of time but thinks a random glitch like "getting above the flagpole in world 1-1 in Super Mario Bros." isn't."

The difference is that achievements are a means to an end. You're getting them based on an external will. Finding random glitches are an end in themselves, something you do because you feel like doing it.

I've always been a "game is its own reward" kind of person, so I definitely agree with Nintendo's position there. In-game achievements can be done well, though. Wii Sports Resort is a good example, setting "goals" to aspire to.

Nyarly Das kann doch nicht sein! from Saksa Since: Feb, 2012
Das kann doch nicht sein!
#7: Jan 23rd 2011 at 11:29:41 AM

Achivements are one of the most pointless video game fads, I've ever seen. What purpose do they even serve (other than "none at all")?

People aren't as awful as the internet makes them out to be.
GuyInWhite Morgan Freeman is God. from Dry Cleaning Since: Jan, 2011
Morgan Freeman is God.
#8: Jan 23rd 2011 at 11:33:18 AM

I don't really care for achievements anyway, so it doesn't really matter to me that they don't have them.

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#9: Jan 23rd 2011 at 11:35:22 AM

The kind of achievements I like tend to be more along the lines of weird Self-Imposed Challenge, like beating the Oculus with no healer drakes. For those, an external person giving you suggestions is welcome.

Nintendo however has a tendency to include those kinds of weird things as actual ingame side goals — see Daredevil Comets, etc.

Fuck grind achievements though.

edited 23rd Jan '11 11:36:01 AM by Pykrete

CommandoDude Since: Jun, 2010
#10: Jan 23rd 2011 at 11:44:50 AM

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ColorPrinter Since: Dec, 2011
#11: Jan 23rd 2011 at 11:47:01 AM

"Beat the Hell World without dying." Awesome, that sounds like a challenge.

"Do 1 million points of fire damage." Screw you.

edited 23rd Jan '11 11:47:31 AM by ColorPrinter

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#12: Jan 23rd 2011 at 11:51:43 AM

I agree with Pykrete. Suggestions for Self Imposed Challenges are always welcome, and the game keeping track of whether or not you succeeded can be helpful depending on how obvious it is.

edited 23rd Jan '11 11:51:56 AM by Clarste

Ralphrius Unwinning Ranger from Neo-Holland Since: May, 2010
Unwinning Ranger
#13: Jan 23rd 2011 at 11:55:14 AM

I kinda like achievements in a way that I can see what a friend of mine has done in the games that he and I own both. That's just coo'.

Stargate SG-1 Let's Watch. Because my ZHP thing failed.
AzureRyuujin Azure Dragon God from Elaborate Underground Base Since: Jan, 2011
Azure Dragon God
#14: Jan 23rd 2011 at 12:21:44 PM

I personally dislike them, due to pressure x.x;

If I want to do something, I like to experiment. That said, I still want those platinum trophies (Hypocracy =D)

RoninCatholic Petting Zoo Person Since: Dec, 2010
Petting Zoo Person
#15: Jan 23rd 2011 at 12:47:17 PM

Achievements are just a meaningless gimmick. I'm fine with individual games putting them in, just like cutscenes, but they really don't make the actual game any better.

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Cider The Final ECW Champion from Not New York Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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#16: Jan 23rd 2011 at 1:21:00 PM

Lots of games have pointless objectives that bring nothing new to the game and are not anything worthwhile. All achievement systems do is make it more obvious, but they are not anything new. Super Smash Bros Melee had been doing trophies, and few of them were tied with any new bonuses, stages or characters. The majority were just bragging rights.

I kind of agree that every game shouldn't be forced to make an achievement system if the developer doesn't want to though.

edit :You all are missing the point(again). Nintendo has always made games with "achievements" they just don't force developers to make every game on their system use them, they are more worried about having products that work.

edited 23rd Jan '11 5:43:08 PM by Cider

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Deathonabun Bunny from the bedroom Since: Jan, 2001
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#17: Jan 23rd 2011 at 1:32:21 PM

Achievements are cool. I like them.

But why does it have to be a system wide thing?

Individual games can have achievements in the form of trophies, stickers, whatever. Good for them. Then other games can have absolutely nothing, and you know what? That's fine too.

But why should it be mandatory for every game to have 1000 gamerscore or X trophies or whatever the hell? It results in a lot of lazy ass achievements because developers don't give a damn, or super hard achievements because they want people to play the game longer. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

edited 23rd Jan '11 1:33:17 PM by Deathonabun

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#18: Jan 23rd 2011 at 4:28:24 PM

I'm still a little annoyed that Mega Man 10's achievements were all obscenely crazy-hard even for the franchise, and yet they were all silver or bronze. Thanks, Capcom, way to not look like assholes.

Signed Always Right Since: Dec, 2009
Always Right
#19: Jan 23rd 2011 at 4:37:43 PM

I...completely agree with what the rep said. Nothing much to comment.

If you want to achieve something, just do it yourself, don't let a system tell you to do it for christ's sake. If you want to prove that you did it, upload it on youtube.

If you want your game to last longer, make the game longer rather being lazy enough to just throw down random goals.

This post in the article's comments made me giggle though...

I agree. It's kinda ridiculous that they claim they wanna appeal to "coregamers" with the 3DS, yet provide no achievement system

[lol]

edited 23rd Jan '11 4:42:19 PM by Signed

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IndigoDingo Since: Jan, 2010
#20: Jan 23rd 2011 at 5:11:19 PM

Okay, that is complete and utter bullshit. Thats a false dilemna, treating it as "Either the wonder of exploration or the love of points scoring", instead of "Either exploration, or both the satisfaction of exploration and points scoring to go along with it". Fallout 3 had trophies, yet any human being who played it will tell you there was still the magic of exploration in those games. Ditto virtually every single other (good) game that involved exploration this generation. Collecting the masks in Enslaved was about learning of the past - the trophy was just icing on the cake.

Sandor from London/Cambridge Since: Oct, 2009
#21: Jan 23rd 2011 at 5:25:48 PM

"I kinda like achievements in a way that I can see what a friend of mine has done in the games that he and I own both. That's just coo'."

Yep. This is the main thing, being able to tell how far along someone is in the game, especially when I want to send a message along the lines of 'zomg, did you see that bit where snape killed sepirpoth? P. damn great right?', or checking how into the game they are.

And going for the hard ones gives a real sense of achievement. Self imposed challenges can be fun, but the temptation to strech the rules when you're doing one is rather hard to ignore. It's pretty simple, if you don't like them/care about them, just ignore them.

Oh, and for the record, it was a nintendo game which was the first use of what we would now consider achievements, in their modern form (Kirby Allstars, 2003).

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IndigoDingo Since: Jan, 2010
#22: Jan 23rd 2011 at 5:27:35 PM

No, it wasn't, it was a Universal game, in Spyro 2, back in 1999. Skill Points.

Edit: My mistake, I was always under the impression the original Spyro games were published by Universal, which is why they retained the rights. Turns out it was Sony.

edited 23rd Jan '11 5:31:06 PM by IndigoDingo

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#23: Jan 23rd 2011 at 6:08:21 PM

Honestly, while I don't share the whole "Achievements/Trophies are the cancer that is killing gaming" sentiment, I wouldn't be terribly sorry to wake up tomorrow and find out that they've been removed from all games, past, present, and future, forever.

Just my $0.02, anyways

EDIT:

But why does it have to be a system wide thing?

Individual games can have achievements in the form of trophies, stickers, whatever. Good for them. Then other games can have absolutely nothing, and you know what? That's fine too.

^ That too.

edited 23rd Jan '11 6:09:50 PM by Reflextion

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#24: Jan 23rd 2011 at 7:13:43 PM

I'd be more likely to include achievement-like challenges and achievement-like twists on certain boss fights as an ingame feature for unlocking cool stuff than a system-supported one, but meh.

edited 23rd Jan '11 7:14:12 PM by Pykrete

WoolieWool Heading for tomorrow Since: Jan, 2001
Heading for tomorrow
#25: Jan 23rd 2011 at 7:42:24 PM

While Achievements are seductive, I find the encroachment of online features on single player games rather disturbing. Part of the whole fun of single player games to me is that there is no one else; you are not compared to other players or being watched by some all-seeing eye. You can play them any way you like or even, if you so desire, cheat at them. Most PC games with them are sensible enough to let you just cheat past That One Boss but turn off achievements, but do that on a console and you could get banned.

edited 23rd Jan '11 7:44:24 PM by WoolieWool

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