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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#1: Jan 22nd 2011 at 10:29:36 PM

The web address on the current image really bugs me, and the cap doesn't seem like a typical example of this style, especially in light of the pics on the Wikipedia link to "peaked cap".

If we're going to have a RL example, I'd like to get one that doesn't have a mark of any kind. The problem is, a lot of the examples I'm finding are of Nazi hats...do we have any kind of restrictions on using their imagery? Here's one of a Russian version.

What I'd really like to see is an example from the Trope Namer. Here's some shots of Ciaphas Cain rocking the actual item:

Edmania o hai from under a pile of erasers Since: Apr, 2010
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#2: Jan 22nd 2011 at 10:37:12 PM

I wouldn't really say that the Trope Namer is an example of the usual style either...

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DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
#3: Jan 22nd 2011 at 11:19:06 PM

I'd be very hesitant to call.... THAT a Commissar Cap.

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#4: Jan 22nd 2011 at 11:41:08 PM

[up] If you're talking about the Cain pics, that's exactly what it is; that hat (or variants on it) is a standard part of the commissarial uniform in Warhammer 40K. Granted, it's kinda silly looking, but it gets the job done.

edited 22nd Jan '11 11:44:02 PM by Willbyr

DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
#5: Jan 22nd 2011 at 11:47:16 PM

But what makes him the Trope Namer? I became familiar with the style of cap just from pictures of that one dictator from Libya back in the 80's, and from WW 2 German officer uniforms.

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#6: Jan 22nd 2011 at 11:52:43 PM

They're called Commissar Caps presumably because of Added Alliterative Appeal.

edited 22nd Jan '11 11:53:13 PM by Scardoll

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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#7: Jan 23rd 2011 at 12:06:03 AM

[up] Probably that and the assumption that that style of hat is associated with that kind of figure, although the article says that real commissars actually didn't wear them.

edited 23rd Jan '11 12:06:14 AM by Willbyr

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#8: Jan 23rd 2011 at 12:07:35 AM

Actually, the image on the trope page right now is exactly the type of hat that the trope is talking about. It's called a Commissar Cap. Feel free to google it. The results will all more or less look like the ones on the page. The pointy one is a weird variation and of the examples on that page, only one character seems to wear it, the one that was suggested in the first post. The trope image is the one that's being talked about.

edited 23rd Jan '11 12:08:14 AM by shimaspawn

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Edmania o hai from under a pile of erasers Since: Apr, 2010
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#9: Jan 23rd 2011 at 12:27:26 AM

I don't like that URL thing sticking on the current pic, though.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#10: Jan 23rd 2011 at 12:30:59 AM

I don't like the URL either and I'd like it better if someone is wearing it, but I don't see the point in replacing it with the wrong hat.

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DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
#11: Jan 23rd 2011 at 1:14:06 AM

Muammar Qaddafi: This man turned the Commissar Cap into a fashion statement.

If you insist on replacing that image, then lets go with the Most Triumphant Example with the man who was famous in part BECAUSE he wore them. It became part of his public image.

Chabal2 Since: Jan, 2010
#12: Jan 23rd 2011 at 2:25:33 AM

Isn't the iconic (aka the 40K version) one based on a Nazi hat?

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#13: Jan 23rd 2011 at 6:31:49 AM

No, they don't usually come to a sharp point at the top of the peak; it's rounded. Can anyone get a good screencap from Moon Over Parador?

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#14: Jan 23rd 2011 at 8:04:48 AM

[up][up] More or less, the entire commissar uniform is very much Putting on the Reich...the pics on the Gaunt's Ghosts omnibuses do a better job of portraying that, the artwork of Cain tends to make his uniform a lot more stylized.

The Qaddafi pic is good. I had an idea while I was booting up the laptop: what about a collage pic that has, say, the Qaddafi pic, the guy that's the main page image on the Wikipedia article, and one of the Cain pics, so that way there's sort of a cross-cultural theme. I'll play with that and see what I can come up with.

edited 23rd Jan '11 8:06:44 AM by Willbyr

DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
#15: Jan 23rd 2011 at 9:34:05 AM

That's actually a good idea. Nothing wrong with a Collage pic that all show different examples of the same hat being worn in action.

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#16: Jan 23rd 2011 at 12:30:02 PM

Here's a couple of takes...the last pic in the second one is of a different 40K commissar with a hat that's closer to the normal definition of the trope.

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#18: Jan 23rd 2011 at 12:35:56 PM

I like the second one, but I'd rather have in media examples instead of so many Real Life ones.

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#19: Jan 23rd 2011 at 12:43:15 PM

If we didn't have company over right now, I'd peruse some of the links in the page. I'll tinker around when I can.

DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
#20: Jan 23rd 2011 at 12:54:06 PM

In media examples? Look no further than M Bison.

[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]

and just for the heck of it, here's Cammy.

edited 23rd Jan '11 1:02:18 PM by DRCEQ

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#21: Jan 23rd 2011 at 12:55:46 PM

[up] The first of those would make a good entrant into the collage. I do like having a number of different hats though because it really is a variety of similar hats, not just one exact hat.

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Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#22: Jan 23rd 2011 at 1:12:09 PM

Here's the best one I could find from Moon Over Parador:

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#23: Jan 23rd 2011 at 5:41:01 PM

Qaddafi/Dreyfuss/Bison/Gaunt:

DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
#24: Jan 23rd 2011 at 6:10:06 PM

Looks good. You got Real Life, Movie, Video Game, and Tabletop Game examples. I think we should put that up.

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#25: Jan 23rd 2011 at 6:14:17 PM

For image source purposes, the top right one is Richard Dreyfuss as "President-For-Life Alphonse Simms of Parador"

edited 23rd Jan '11 6:15:52 PM by Madrugada


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