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MorningStar1337 Like reflections in the glass! from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
Like reflections in the glass!
#21476: Feb 15th 2021 at 6:06:30 PM

I did notice that Harmonia's art lent an ironic component to the name

EDIT: and I also noticed that the "mini-me" versions of the girls seem to be living plush dolls

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Feb 16th 2021 at 8:45:00 AM

Gilphon Untrustworthy from The Third Sound Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#21477: Feb 20th 2021 at 7:46:29 PM

Been playing more on Deulingnexus. A thing I notice about a lot of modern decks is that they come out swinging, but lose stream quickly you're prepared to wait them out. Like Sky Strikers for example will just mill themselves to death if you can stall against them. Plus we have Stormy Mirror Force punishing Extra deck spam really hard, and Nibiru just dropping a meteor on people who decide they want to play solitaire.

Edited by Gilphon on Feb 20th 2021 at 10:46:49 AM

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#21478: Feb 22nd 2021 at 6:16:03 AM

Did anyone watch Arc-V? Some clips came up in my youtube recommended due to the algorithm. There's seriously a character who says "spunk yes!"? Given the quotes from those videos, how is there no Radar page for that series?

The sad, REAL American dichotomy
Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#21479: Feb 22nd 2021 at 6:27:13 AM

Because it's from the dub and no one in this day and age really cared enough about the dub to watch it in significant enough numbers. But yes, arc v's dub decided to turn the Tyler sisters and zarc, among other characters, into a meme fest.

(no jab Intended at dub watchers - I'm just saying that watching subs is a practice that has become far more widespread tha' back in the DM/GX/5Ds Era and comparznly fewer people have watched the dub )

Edited by Yumil on Feb 22nd 2021 at 3:27:50 PM

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
RAlexa21th Brenner's Wolves Fight Again from California Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Brenner's Wolves Fight Again
#21480: Feb 22nd 2021 at 8:12:43 AM

[up][up]Best bring that discussion to Yu-Gi-Oh! in general.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
ShiningStardust Since: Jun, 2017
#21482: Feb 22nd 2021 at 6:37:48 PM

new Madou fusion and new Armed Dragon

I'm amused that the last Madou fusion before this is so broken it ends up Forbidden not even a year after release, and now we get our weakest Madou fusion to date.

The new Armed Dragon's ATK gain.....is permanent??? That sounds kinda crazy for Armed Dragon decks, considering how high the Level for most of them are.

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#21483: Feb 24th 2021 at 12:00:26 AM

The Armor Dragon card atk boots main purpose is to buff up the LV 10 since it best effect need it to have 10 000 atk.

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Karxrida The Unknown from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
The Unknown
#21484: Feb 24th 2021 at 11:30:17 AM

So. Uh. Egyptian God decks.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#21485: Feb 24th 2021 at 11:49:35 AM

Tooooooooooooooooooooooormeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeent.

I can't remember if it was here or in a youtube comment, but someone pointed out that Slifer's oft forgotten automatic destruction effect pretty much stops most combo pieces in their tracks, even if they float, unless they're destruction proof. So it might be a good (balance) thing that it doesn't have any innate protection. (Obelisk can't be targeted; Slifer and Ra have no protection on the field at all)

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Feb 24th 2021 at 1:54:21 PM

The sad, REAL American dichotomy
PhilosopherStones Anyways Here's Darude Sandstorm from The North (lots of planets have them) Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Anyways Here's Darude Sandstorm
#21486: Feb 24th 2021 at 6:10:14 PM

Are these TCG exclusive?

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MorningStar1337 Like reflections in the glass! from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
Like reflections in the glass!
#21487: Feb 24th 2021 at 6:15:26 PM

[up] As products, yes, but they seem to be the method Konami is using to get at least some the Prismatic God Box cards into the TCG

Speaking of which a new TCG side set is announced and it seems to be also related to the OCG's PGB

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Feb 25th 2021 at 7:16:22 AM

XDiakos Since: Jun, 2010
#21488: Feb 25th 2021 at 11:10:45 PM

Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but I am a tad concerned about the way a user named "Wuz" is editing pages under the Yu-Gi-Oh! Card Game area. To wit, this user seems to be cutting quite a number of tropes on the pages citing misuse, particularly with Type and Attribute descriptors and other stuff like Gameplay and Story Integration. I'm not certain if some of these tropes being cut actually do constitute misuse, per se, but I'd like some form of consensus or a second opinion first.

I also find some concern with how that user is editing stuff like the Sacred Beast section in this page. While it may be true that the section might be a bit long (I am considering splitting it into its own page at some point, personally). I don't know if the way this user is going about the edits is constructive, since the user tends to favor straight up cutting examples rather than trying to find alternative tropes that some examples could go under, if indeed trope misuse has occurred. My approach, personally, has always been to try and adapt already inputted text to other more fitting tropes rather than straight up cutting them. The comments that this user has posted while editing the page, saying that he feels like "cutting everything" or that he is "done with" proper editing in favor of cutting text, is somewhat concerning to me, and I feel that it sets a bad precedent for future edits. I don't think a user who is in favor of simply cutting text wholesale rather than finding ways to try and retain said text in some form is generally going to appear constructive to the site, especially if said text isn't blatantly unfitting, trope misuse, or something offensive.

I did edit back in much of the text in the Sacred Beast section that was removed by this user. However, this is more in the interest of me trying to see how it could potentially be edited to better fit wiki standards. It would be harder to do this if much of this text was straight up deleted, as this user seems apt to do. I have also taken some of the users comments into consideration and made some edits to the text to be a little compliant to such comments. However, I do acknowledge that this can be a long process. Part of the reason I am making this inquiry is also in the interest of avoiding an edit war, since I can reasonable foresee one occurring at some point.

The user also does not appear to have as good a grasp of English, so there are some grammar issues I see in his edits. This is not a big concern, IMO, but I feel that it is somewhat of an issue if the text he replaces with his edits had better grammar that what he is replacing it with. When I edit, I try to use a more professional and formal voice rather than a casual one, which this user seems to favor, but that's not a big concern on my part.

I apologize if this is not the correct place to post this, but I'm not sure where else to do so. I hope to seek a second opinion from some one on the matter if the approach this user is taking with those pages is proper or not.

Edited by XDiakos on Feb 25th 2021 at 11:15:28 AM

MorningStar1337 Like reflections in the glass! from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
Like reflections in the glass!
#21489: Feb 26th 2021 at 5:35:05 AM

I can kinda see an argument being made for the attribute/type entries being misuse...or rather ZCE bait, but that could be solved by adding such entries to the archtypes general tropes (where context can be added without redundant text) or potholing them in their descriptions.

That said it might also be worth bringing it up on ATT as well

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Feb 26th 2021 at 5:35:46 AM

ShiningStardust Since: Jun, 2017
#21490: Feb 26th 2021 at 6:34:36 AM

I'm not sure either where to post that aside from in here, maybe in Content Violation Discussion board?

Karxrida The Unknown from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
The Unknown
#21491: Feb 26th 2021 at 7:19:24 AM

That board is for finding and deleting porn stuff.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
XDiakos Since: Jun, 2010
#21492: Feb 26th 2021 at 9:19:28 AM

I'm not totally sure where to draw the line on certain tropes being used for Attribute or Type descriptors being misuse or not. The user's contention seems to be that all tropes solely used as Attribute or Type descriptors are misuse and don't belong in these pages.

But should Playing with Fire apply to all FIRE Attribute monsters? Or only to monsters that are seen attacking with fire? Evolsaur Elias is a FIRE monster, but it has never appeared in any anime or manga series. We don't see any flames in its artwork and we don't know how it attacks. Should it qualify for that trope? Flames also appear in the artworks of the Evolzar monsters, so we probably can reasonably assume that they manipulate fire in some sense. But they have never been summoned in the anime or seen attacking, so we don't know to what degree their "fire powers" extend. Should they count for the trope? However, Uria is blatantly seen breathing fire in the anime and the artwork of Hyper Blaze. Why shouldn't it count for that trope in this case?

I also see some issues with that user's approach towards some tropes. That user seems to contend that Gameplay and Story Integration does not apply to legacy support designed to enable or replicate interactions in the anime or manga that were not initially possible (likely due to nerfs, certain cards not being initially released, or changes in some card effects between the anime and OCG). Why would the support for Ra from Rage of Ra or cards like Hyper Blaze (or the other Sacred Beast related "attack cards") not count towards this trope then? The point of those cards are to let players do what they saw in the anime in some sense, but were previously unable to. The user does seem to think that card effects that replicate the interaction seen in the artwork of the card itself does constitute this trope though, which is fair, but I don't think that justifies removing listings of that trope that cover legacy support.

There is also the issue of that user seemingly favoring just deleting or cutting entire blocks of text if they are in some way too long or misuse in his eyes. I can't look at that behavior and deem it constructive, especially considering the tone of his comments when making such edits.

But yes, I have also posted this on Ask the Tropers to hopefully get some insight as well.

Edited by XDiakos on Feb 26th 2021 at 9:23:05 AM

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I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#21493: Feb 26th 2021 at 9:23:11 AM

Well, the card artwork is not the primary source material, the anime is. Yugioh started as a manga that happened to spawn a card game and anime, not the other way around. I'd say the card artwork comes secondary to that card's portrayal in the anime or manga.

MorningStar1337 Like reflections in the glass! from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
Like reflections in the glass!
#21494: Feb 26th 2021 at 9:29:13 AM

[up] That is a problem considering this is about the entries of the card game, where the vast majority of cards were never seen outside of that medium. Therefore we cannot rely on the anime and manga as reference for say if Jasmine (Either version) has Light powers or not.

Though I think the type things are another wrinkle as to use Jasmine as an example again, is she really a Plant Person, or merely a child who happens to have plant related powers, or even that? (keep in mind she and her archetype have a scent theme). For all we know it's Gameplay and Story Segregation all the way down.

I do think its alright to have cards that emulate otherwise impossible play be under Gameplay and Story Integration

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Feb 26th 2021 at 9:29:29 AM

RAlexa21th Brenner's Wolves Fight Again from California Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Brenner's Wolves Fight Again
#21495: Feb 26th 2021 at 9:30:49 AM

The Aromages are just herbalists who tend their garden and make incense/medicine out of plants. Angelica is a fairy that turns the girls into magical girls.

Edited by RAlexa21th on Feb 26th 2021 at 9:31:15 AM

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#21496: Feb 27th 2021 at 5:03:17 PM

Per my earlier post, this is still hilarious to me:

The sad, REAL American dichotomy
ShiningStardust Since: Jun, 2017
#21497: Feb 28th 2021 at 9:04:01 AM

Beautiful

also lol of course it's a shop named "Dragon Star" that gets the artwork lol

Edited by ShiningStardust on Mar 1st 2021 at 12:04:22 AM

MorningStar1337 Like reflections in the glass! from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
Wuz Since: Jun, 2013
#21499: Mar 5th 2021 at 8:46:32 PM

I would like to apologise for my behaviour on the card game character pages. In my eyes they were filled with zero context examples, tropes exclusively used to describe attributes but do not apply to the monsters themselves, and misused tropes wrangled into describing card gameplay effects. I thought that the trope pages are so flawed they would have to be thoroughly purged and rebuilt from the ground up. That’s why I adopted an aggressive delete first policy.

RAlexa21th Brenner's Wolves Fight Again from California Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Brenner's Wolves Fight Again
#21500: Mar 5th 2021 at 11:21:46 PM

At the very least if you delete something without discussion, state your reasoning first.

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