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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#20926: Sep 13th 2020 at 8:27:01 PM

And Dark Dragoon + backrow is a very game-winning combo.
If you can't summon anything else you'd be hard-pressed to search any useful backrow. You'd probably be at the mercy of whatever you draw, and that sounds extremely bricky. Plus you still need a card in the hand for Dragoon's negation.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#20927: Sep 13th 2020 at 8:38:22 PM

There's a ton of extra powerful backrow right now(which are at 3 too, making it worse). So that's never once been an issue. The only thing limited at best are floodgates, and backrow has never once been weak anyway.

3 powerful backrow + 1 card in hand + 1 omni-negate is highly powerful. And only cause of REF. The other combos are just plain weaker. There's literally no strong field you can make out of Dragoon if it doesn't include REF. You don't need to summon another monster to control the field whatsoever. For something like Muddy Mudragon, that gives you 1 backrow and 1 card in hand. Anything involving Magicalized Fusion requires a crapload of setup, and since you can't directly use your deck, you'd be lucky to have a Dragoon and 1 card in hand at most. That's the problem with all other options, they're severely costly... which is what makes Dragoon just plain weaker outside of REF.

REF was always the heart of the combo, and always will be.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#20928: Sep 13th 2020 at 9:24:46 PM

Dragoon itself was a mistake.

  1. A big beatstick
  2. Makes itself stronger permanently
  3. An omni-negate
  4. Can't be destroyed
  5. Can't be targeted

Assuming your opponent has nothing to protect it, you still need to bait out its effect and either:

  • Stop/negate monster effects without targeting it
  • Beat over it with something with more than 4000 (at least) attack
  • Non-targeting, non-destroying removal such as banishing it

The only reliable out that comes to my mind is kaiju-ing it.

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BattleRaizer from Realm of Khorne Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#20929: Sep 13th 2020 at 9:53:40 PM

So Dinomist is winning against LS.

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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#20930: Sep 13th 2020 at 10:37:38 PM

[up]x2 Forbidden Droplets and Dark Ruler No More shut down Dragoon without targeting it or letting it respond. Dragoon is still a dumb card but answers do exist.

[up] Legit surprised.

BattleRaizer from Realm of Khorne Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#20931: Sep 13th 2020 at 10:53:16 PM

[up]Not that surprise to me. LS already good and complete, giving them more support while other less good archetype sit on the sidelines just dumb. And I doubt Konami would stop giving them support.

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CountofBleck Starting to believe in himself from New Wirral (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Starting to believe in himself
#20932: Sep 14th 2020 at 7:56:01 AM

Yeah its no surprise considering the trends of this poll; sylvans beating cyner angels and photons beating mermails are other examples that pipular decks arent the ones winning hwre.

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#20933: Sep 14th 2020 at 8:02:23 AM

Sylvans were at least meta. Cyber Angels weren't really an archetype until Arc-V and I'm not sure if they were even popular.

Edited by Karxrida on Sep 14th 2020 at 8:03:03 AM

RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#20934: Sep 14th 2020 at 9:45:25 AM

You can drop a Kaiju on Dragoon, right?

But yeah, Dragoon is Master Peace but dumber.

Edited by RAlexa21th on Sep 14th 2020 at 9:45:46 AM

Continue writing our story of peace.
fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#20935: Sep 14th 2020 at 9:48:33 AM

What can't you drop a Kaiju on?

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#20936: Sep 14th 2020 at 9:49:53 AM

Diabolostongue

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#20937: Sep 14th 2020 at 10:23:14 AM

Eater of Millions, or anything else that can't be tributed (and are thus also immune to Nibiru).

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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#20938: Sep 14th 2020 at 4:36:17 PM

You could also preemptively use Mask of Restrict.

Dinomist actually won.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#20939: Sep 14th 2020 at 6:36:49 PM

Well its anyone's game now (I just hope that Weather wins)

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#20940: Sep 14th 2020 at 6:38:11 PM

I kind of want to make a Mystic Mine/Dragoon hybrid deck just to show how brain dead this game can be.

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#20941: Sep 14th 2020 at 7:06:37 PM

I mean it should be easy. Summon Dragoon, then play Mine, Verte optional (might be better to eschew Verte given Nibiru and the fact that Mine punishes the player with more monsters...then again I think Nibiru might be a nonissue even with Verte as long as you don't summon anything between it and Dragoon). Play Magician's Hands for extra negates and then wait as your opponent tries to break your board (A Kaiju can be a silver bullet here, but you have to draw one and still have to deal with Mine, and going for Mine directly would just end up negated by Dragoon or the backrow)

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Sep 14th 2020 at 7:09:14 AM

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#20942: Sep 14th 2020 at 7:18:08 PM

Problem is Mine negates Dragoon until your opponent summons a monster. But it can still protect itself from destruction and targeting.

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#20943: Sep 14th 2020 at 7:25:55 PM

Temple of the Kings/Trap Trick and Ojama Trio?

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#20944: Sep 14th 2020 at 8:00:26 PM

For a funny moment, Makyura doesn't have its updated text on the database yet. Meaning the latest one is still the broken version.

Hilarious, Konami. Well, hey, instantly easy Exodia for almost 2 weeks, since the 25th the new updated text releases.

For now, you might as well look into Makyura till the text update happens?

Shadow?
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#20945: Sep 14th 2020 at 8:02:30 PM

The Dark World would like to thank the Dinomist and their human supporters for defeating those proselytizing Lightsworn pricks.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#20946: Sep 14th 2020 at 8:04:56 PM

Oh yeah, Mayakura can be used to play Trio and thus set up Mine! Until the text updates at least

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#20947: Sep 14th 2020 at 8:12:02 PM

You can somewhat still use it via a Link summon, as long as you use something else to summon it first. Or say, a Gilasaurus, etc. Doesn't really help much due to Mine being a disadvantage to you. But you do at least get an easy usage of various traps either way. Could be a Floodgate like Mind Drain or something. There's honestly some neat options at this point.

Though it'll still be barely worth trying out either way. I might give it a go in my current Warrior deck, but even with Isolde, I doubt it'll be useful. Maybe try out a new equip deck or something. Especially as he can help me get a equip spell to my monster faster with that newer trap that's way better than Hidden Armory. I forget its name, but it was in Chaos Impact Special Edition.

Shadow?
Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#20948: Sep 14th 2020 at 8:48:10 PM

The Mayakura errata is probably coming with Rage of Ra, which is out in 10 days.

ShiningStardust Since: Jun, 2017
#20949: Sep 14th 2020 at 9:23:21 PM

Problem is, the new banlist is already effective NOW.

Meaning the broken version of Makyura is legal for 10 days lmao

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#20950: Sep 14th 2020 at 10:03:42 PM

No events are happening (that I know of) and a lot of people probably aren't playing in person. It shouldn't be an issue.

RIP people playing online, though.


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