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LeighSabio Mate Griffon To Mare from Love party! Since: Jan, 2001
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#1: Jan 21st 2011 at 3:15:42 PM

In this video, Ayn Rand says that there should never be a female president, because women should not want to lead men. I'm inclined to call BS on Rand. There are plenty of women already in positions where they lead various people, some of them men, from single mothers leading their sons to female CE Os leading their companies. If Ayn Rand has no problem with that, and she's said she doesn't, then what's the difference between that and a female president?

Yes, a female president would be commander-in-chief of the army. But most of the nation isn't the army, and most of the army isn't the male-only units. And even though there are male-only units in the army, the president doesn't have to serve in these units to be an effective president. Plenty of presidents were never in the army at all.

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CommandoDude Since: Jun, 2010
#2: Jan 21st 2011 at 3:18:00 PM

Oh, so she's basically a Schlafly clone?

Penguin4Senate Since: Aug, 2009
#3: Jan 21st 2011 at 3:20:56 PM

I'm inclined to call BS on Rand.

All that needs to be said, really.

Sparkysharps Since: Jan, 2001
#4: Jan 21st 2011 at 3:22:38 PM

Personally, I have regarded Ayn Rand as Not A Very Intelligent, Well-Meaning, Or Likable Individual, and have long ago taken the policy of disregarding everything she's ever said or wrote on the basis that it is either very stupid, very silly, or much better stated by someone else.

melloncollie Since: Feb, 2012
#5: Jan 21st 2011 at 3:23:43 PM

What on earth? [lol]

Objectivism is nice and all, Ms. Rand, but I'm going to laugh at you for this.

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#6: Jan 21st 2011 at 3:27:02 PM

Relevant?

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#7: Jan 21st 2011 at 3:27:59 PM

The highest ranking person in my career field is a female Major(two star) General, and we're one of the most masculine career fields in the military, especially where sexism is concerned, it takes tough women to tolerate us.

edited 21st Jan '11 3:28:34 PM by Barkey

JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#8: Jan 21st 2011 at 3:43:56 PM

Yes but Ayn Rand is... well a tiny bit mental to put it bluntly. She's like your guys version of Prince Phillip, only without the occasional moments of humour.

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#10: Jan 21st 2011 at 4:24:00 PM

This is the gal who of Atlas Shrugged fame correct?

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Roman Love Freak Since: Jan, 2010
#12: Jan 21st 2011 at 4:40:31 PM

She's old and dead. Even if you have relatively positive views on her, you have to disgree with some major stuff just to be a sane member of the young modern work force.

The people who made up the assembly that wrote the US Constitution, who have far more clout that Ayn Rand, didn't have the most enlightened views on sex relations either.

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Karalora Since: Jan, 2001
#13: Jan 21st 2011 at 5:26:33 PM

Ayn Rand was one of those women who thought that if she disparaged her own sex enough, she would get to be an honorary dude with all the rights and privileges due thereto. Very much like Phyllis Schlafly, actually. Or Ann Coulter.

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#14: Jan 21st 2011 at 5:28:47 PM

[up][up]Agreed. Her only contribution to the modern world is Objectivism. The rest of her views are outdated, and it's pointless to consider them seriously.

edited 21st Jan '11 5:30:33 PM by Ultrayellow

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
EnglishIvy Since: Aug, 2011
#15: Jan 21st 2011 at 5:43:32 PM

@Kara: She's like a church lady. Of her own cult.

Filby Since: Jan, 2001
#16: Jan 21st 2011 at 6:06:28 PM

Oh, so she's basically a Schlafly clone?

Nooooonononono. Very different brand of crazy. I mean, they'd agree on taxes and regulation and such, but as soon as it got to religion they'd rip each other's eyes out because Schlafly is a rabid fundamentalist while Rand was a religion-hating atheist.

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#17: Jan 21st 2011 at 6:35:57 PM

It's not untrue that women can be misogynist and male supremacist. The tendency against the thought defies all the movements are supposed to stand for. That it's cultural that people become a certain way. I hate it when people try to bring essentialism into these factors. People working against their own interests is common in a society that promotes it.

And it's therefor not untrue the statement that "many women are as much the enemy of feminism as men". "Feminism" isn't about women's right to choice, and being unable to question them when they do things that hurt women. It's about equality.

Personally, I think women can make just as great of leaders as men. And that women should want to lead men.

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BlackHumor Since: Jan, 2001
#18: Jan 21st 2011 at 6:43:57 PM

That post was perfectly true BUT I want to take this opportunity to say that overuse of lilotes annoys me.

Beholderess from Moscow Since: Jun, 2010
#19: Jan 21st 2011 at 10:23:56 PM

Ayn Rand was one of those women who thought that if she disparaged her own sex enough, she would get to be an honorary dude with all the rights and privileges due thereto.

Exactly!

Besides, in writing and propaganding her own philosophy, doesn't she attempt to lead men too?

(sigh) Hypocrisy should be considered a crime, really.

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#20: Jan 21st 2011 at 10:35:34 PM

[up]Then we would all be criminals.

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Beholderess from Moscow Since: Jun, 2010
#21: Jan 21st 2011 at 10:45:50 PM

[up]Sure! But would at least try to avoid it that way.

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#22: Jan 22nd 2011 at 1:14:56 AM

And we would invariably fail and become a criminal.

Back to the topic on hand. Ayn rand and other ilk like her can't be the only notable people to speak like this who else comes to mind?

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LeighSabio Mate Griffon To Mare from Love party! Since: Jan, 2001
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#23: Jan 22nd 2011 at 9:33:51 AM

[up] Phyllis Schlafly was mentioned. I'd give another mention to Marabel Morgan.

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#24: Jan 22nd 2011 at 10:28:23 AM


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Filby Since: Jan, 2001
#25: Jan 22nd 2011 at 10:30:17 AM

I dislike feminists as much as the next man

Don't speak for all men, dude. I'm perfectly fine with feminists.


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