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alanh Since: May, 2010
#12701: Jul 27th 2025 at 2:50:23 PM

And there's this Strange New Worlds teaser.

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#12702: Jul 27th 2025 at 3:25:45 PM

IT’S TIME TO CHARGE THE PHASERS! IT’S TIME TO something something Star Trek show tonight, I did not really think this joke through.

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#12703: Jul 27th 2025 at 4:19:13 PM

@Mara 999 In 1 of Picard's flashbacks in season 3, 1 of the cadets asked him to recount the tale where he fought Hirogen, implying that they eventually made their way to the Alpha Quadrant.

What's hilarious/pathetic is that even in the 32nd century In-Universe and 2025 in real life the Kazon still get no respect.

Edited by KRider on Jul 27th 2025 at 7:20:32 PM

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#12704: Jul 27th 2025 at 4:33:23 PM

Khan (either the original, sure, he was a brutal tyrant, but we're going to pretend that's okay

I think in "Space Seed", the Enterprise crew takes the "let's not judge historical figures by our present day morality" approach. Like, if we thawed out Julius Caesar today, a lot of folks would be far more concerned about talking to such a celebrated military genius from out of the past, and wouldn't be too concerned with the right-or-wrong of Caesar's wars of conquest or overthrow of democracy.

Edited by RavenWilder on Jul 27th 2025 at 9:04:52 AM

ECD Since: Nov, 2021
#12705: Jul 27th 2025 at 8:23:53 PM

[up]Sure, except of course Khan is our contemporary and was our future, so that argument works in universe, but not really for me as a viewer. Sure, he was a brutal tyrant, but it was the 1990s-2030s, what can you expect...doesn't really land for me.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#12706: Jul 27th 2025 at 8:26:49 PM

You could do a lot with Khan.

Like Khan is the guy who wants to stop all of the eugenics people from exterminating regular people.

But the point of Space Seed was that Khan WAS a POS.

Charismatic but his first reaction to sacred hospitality was betrayal.

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#12707: Jul 28th 2025 at 12:25:53 AM

In 1 of Picard's flashbacks in season 3, 1 of the cadets asked him to recount the tale where he fought Hirogen, implying that they eventually made their way to the Alpha Quadrant.

Because it was an off-screen encounter, my initial reaction was that the scene would somehow relate to the Changelings. That people were trying to Bluff the Impostor, in case it wasn't the real Picard. I really liked the Hirogen, though their hat as supreme hunters makes them inevitably a more small-scale threat than other warrior-species. Though it could be an interesting plotline to follow up from that one Alpha's despair over his people diminishing into extinction. They do have the potential to become conquerors, but they do not really have much that would differentiate them from Klingons and Jem'Hadar. Best maybe to have them as lone operatives and thugs, like a more noble take on Nausicaans.

What's hilarious/pathetic is that even in the 32nd century In-Universe and 2025 in real life the Kazon still get no respect.

The Kazon would have been better off as a very local threat, if Voyager had been stuck on one planet for an extended period. The best use for Kazon was in Prodigy, as criminals working for bigger threats.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#12708: Jul 28th 2025 at 2:21:05 AM

Khan is as distant to TOS as Napoleon is to us.

I think some people would treat a dethawed Napoleon today as a historical curiosity, but then again I think some people would recognise that his rolling back the rights of women, children, reporters and trade unionist hold an impact still today.

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#12709: Jul 28th 2025 at 4:38:44 AM

To go back to Starfleet Academy for a minute, since Tawny Newsome is on the writing staff, I do hope that they'll do a Lower Decks crossover episode where Mariner gets thrown into the 32nd Century and shenanigans ensue.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#12710: Jul 28th 2025 at 6:13:44 AM

Goldman and Mayers are pitching a Strange New Worlds sequel series titled "Star Trek Year One" that would focus on the first year of Kirk's five year mission prior to the events of TOS's first episodes.

I'm not against it, though it would be even more limited in canonical freedom than SNW, and I imagine it could only be a single season. But I like SNW and I'd like to see more of it. Though I would miss the presence of Pike, La'an, Ortegas, Pella and Una.

There's also the concern of it effectively being a post script season for Chappel, Spock, M'Benga and Uhura, who will presumably have completed their intended SNW character arcs but will now have to find new ones without surpassing their characters at the start of TOS.

Though I guess adjusting to being under the rule of Kirk and Bones is character material enough.

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#12711: Jul 28th 2025 at 7:09:06 AM

I am very much against it.

Go to a new era. Do something new.

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#12712: Jul 28th 2025 at 7:15:38 AM

Timing's too tight. Prefer they either explore the 32nd century more besides Starfleet Academy or finally greenlight Captain Seven of Nine's show.

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ECD Since: Nov, 2021
#12713: Jul 28th 2025 at 9:03:05 AM

[up][up]Agree. I do think Disco's time skip makes things a bit tricky for future stuff, not because it has to, you can do plenty of things either during the Burn or before it, but it does create a bunch of potential narrative issues.

[up]x7 That's basically my expectation. Or rather that if they're going to do anything with it, it's going to be an effort to demonstrate that the Federations Genetic Engineering laws are wrong/immoral even at their original foundation as part of the (in my view wrongheaded) modern Star Trek position that bans on genetic engineering are basically just bigotry. Khan as misunderstood visionary, or victim who was forced into the role of conqueror by the bigotry of the unaugmented and only wanted to protect his people.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#12714: Jul 28th 2025 at 9:40:57 AM

[up] To be honest, the timeskip is so huge and we get so little about the intervening time that it's a lot less of a problem than you'd think. There's a few things that are off limits, and I doubt anyone would want to touch the 28th century, but there's nearly 400 years that are basically a huge blank period. A show set a century before the Burn would be interesting, especially if it was focused on dealing with the aftermath of the Sphere Builders.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#12715: Jul 28th 2025 at 10:28:17 AM

I would rather they take on new settings too. But it sounds like Star Trek Year One would be more of a post script season given it would have the same sets and largely the same cast, and better secures Star Trek having a presence after the sky dance merger.

I definitely want a Seven of Nine show in the 25th century so we can get updates on the politics of the alpha and beta quadrant post DS 9 (some one please check in on the cardassians, but also Martok's Klingons) but no one is going to pitch Star Trek Legacy until after the merger is complete.

My hope is that once Star Trek: Origins is out we get a show following up on it so we can return to the 22nd Century and give T'pol and Shran their dues. (Also that Trill first contact episode I've always wanted)

Edit: I've seen people ask for a Stargazer series with a young Picard, but I just don't see it having the same appeal as SNW as it wouldn't be able to have many returning characters other than the Crushers.

Edit: I guess you could include Curzon Dax. I'd watch it for Dax.

I don't think you could pull anyone from Voyager other than maybe a young Chakotay, which honestly I'd like, but I don't think the character would have any draw. Perhaps you could recast Tuvok.

Edited by Whowho on Jul 28th 2025 at 11:52:58 AM

Trooper924 from the Spawn Nebula Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Hiding
#12716: Jul 28th 2025 at 5:56:19 PM

Going against the grain somewhat, I actually am interested in that proposed Star Trek Year One series because I really do like the new actors playing the TOS characters and am game to see more of them.

EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#12717: Jul 28th 2025 at 6:12:48 PM

My thought is a Year One concept feels like an epilogue to SNW rather than a different show. Much of SNW is about showing that transitional period already, at the moment we only have McCoy, Sulu and Chekhov to recast.

I've always liked the idea of a Starfleet Academy show but I'm not so upbeat about the 32nd Century setting, as the glimpses shown in the TNG era is what made people interested in the idea and I think the supertech and "reopening after 100 years" will overshadow the individual characters. There is still plenty of potential, I just hope it doesn't default to an end-of-the-world story arc and actually commit to the themes of education and military training.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#12718: Jul 28th 2025 at 8:55:38 PM

Random Thought: I haven't seen Picard, so I'll ask, do they ever establish if, now that the Romulans Empire is kaput, the Federation is free to use cloaking technology?

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#12719: Jul 29th 2025 at 12:25:01 AM

That's a really good question I don't have the answer to. I wonder if that's been explored?

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#12720: Jul 29th 2025 at 1:58:25 AM

The closest I remember the show getting is in season 3, they steal the cloak from the Bird of Prey Bounty from the one with the whales for the Titan so it's not standard equipment.

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#12721: Jul 30th 2025 at 9:37:15 PM

RE: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=12955024930A26145200&page=509#comment-12706

Khan did literally want to conquer the Earth. He was the whole leader. The only reason he might want to stop the others genociding the unaugmented humans is that he wanted to make non-augments second class citizens.

From memory, that was pretty unambiguously stated in his introductory episode.

Though I honestly think Khan is done at this point. His story wrapped up in the films, we don't need to redo him, and it's not like we can call back Ricardo Montálban.

generation81 Since: Aug, 2021
#12722: Jul 31st 2025 at 8:33:11 AM

Watched Star Trek Strange New Worlds S 3 E 4 A Space Adventure Hour.

At first was disappointed the Self-Parody aspect was going to be ignored past the title, but the murder mystery pastiche with a meta plot was brilliant.

Edited by generation81 on Jul 31st 2025 at 11:33:25 AM

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#12723: Jul 31st 2025 at 8:41:59 AM

From memory, that was pretty unambiguously stated in his introductory episode.

It's not. In his introduction all we're told is that he's one of many Tyrants at the time. Albeit probably the most succesful of the bunch. But there's no indication he was planning to take over the world in his first episode.

Khan's interesting because he's such a target of Heinousness Retcon. In his intro he's like... a dude. Kirk and Scotty openly admit to admiring the man in a way. There were "few deaths" under him (But little freedom). But at the same time he's a footnote in history. Like, they need an entire briefing to get everyone up to date on who Khan was. He was no big deal.

Come Strange New World he was turbohitler actually, his existence is a lynchpin of the entire timeline. He was such a monster than 2 centuries later humanity's trauma over his actions is so great they have discriminatory laws on the book to stop another Khan, and Starfleet admits yeah those laws suck and discriminate but look people are still so mad about what Khan did (200 years ago!) that lifting those laws is unthinkable.

But the point of Space Seed was that Khan WAS a POS.

Not really. Space Seed paints Khan as a Benevolent Dictator. Kirk admires him. And it's also why Kirk lets him go, gives him his own planet to go wild on. Because Khan's ruthless but also ya know kinda likeable. You gotta love this ambition of his. There's a sense of mutual respect between the two. Like, yeah, he's a dick, but he's a dick Kirk can respect, which is why Kirk gives him basically all he'd ever want as a parting gift.

Edited by Ghilz on Jul 31st 2025 at 11:46:29 AM

EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#12724: Jul 31st 2025 at 9:15:24 AM

The entire premise of "Space Seed" was taking a relic of the past and placing him in a future where his past life's motivation is irrelevant. He's viewed as a tragic figure even then because the characters assume him trying to go back to conquering Earth would be foolish.

Part of the issue was that he was originally treated as one of a dozen similar figures, and was A Lighter Shade of Grey in comparison. The name Khan is rather on the nose of who they are referencing. But since none of the others have been explored, Khan became depicted as the singular driving force of the Eugenics Wars and not just one part of it. SNW "Tomorrow, Tomorrow and Tomorrow" split the difference by merging the Eugenics Wars and WWIII, saying he was one part of a multi-faceted conflict.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#12725: Jul 31st 2025 at 10:28:57 AM

Eh, that's Kirk's view.

That he's a pleasant anachronism.

But Khan almost immediately tries to take over the ship despite them being his rescuers.

For me, Space Seed is The Farmer and the Viper.

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