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BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#76: Jan 23rd 2011 at 12:44:29 AM

@post 65: Well spoken, sir.

[up] Drug Abuse Resistance Education. It's basically something used to indoctrinate children <10 years old to try and make sure they're not going to grow up and become worthless drug-addled prison fodder by smoking pot.

Personally, I drank in high school, and after only a few times, decided that I didn't like who I was when I drank.  *

However, I don't go out and bash people because they do drink, unless they're clearly drinking enough to be causing harm to themselves or others.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona Since: Aug, 2009
Jesus as in Revelations
#77: Jan 23rd 2011 at 12:51:26 AM

"The boy has the eyes of a DARE boy. He is pure and incorruptible" "Sono me, DARE no me."

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
I see the Awesomeness.
#78: Jan 23rd 2011 at 5:15:39 AM

...what does DARE even do save bore children?

Cuts into science class.

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Kino Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Californicating
#79: Jan 23rd 2011 at 7:55:25 AM

D.A.R.E was awesome; i'm one of the few people who paid attention, thus i'm not plowing my money on pot and E; the crazy knowledge of drugs was like a bonus.smile

neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#80: Jan 23rd 2011 at 10:27:21 AM

You mean you believe what DARE taught you? @ Kino

Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#81: Jan 23rd 2011 at 10:35:29 AM

So it bores children and interrupts something that could be interesting and useful. They must be stopped.

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Kino Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Californicating
#82: Jan 23rd 2011 at 11:28:08 AM

^^Yeah; I had an awesome D.A.R.E teacher.

Karmakin Moar and Moar and Moar Since: Aug, 2009
Moar and Moar and Moar
#83: Jan 23rd 2011 at 11:43:07 AM

I actually tore into a DARE-esque canvasser a few months ago when they set up an information table about the "evils" of pot at my local grocery store.

When attached to the grocery store is a liquor store. What I hate most about all this is the basically blatant hypocrisy.

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#84: Jan 23rd 2011 at 11:44:19 AM

I think I still have my first-grade DARE pencil somewhere. We had a policeman come in during the presentation and show photos of meth users and stuff since that's the biggest problem around here.

They did stuff on pot, but I don't really remember much of it besides the "which one's pot and which is oregano" thing.

edited 23rd Jan '11 11:45:23 AM by Pykrete

Kino Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Californicating
#85: Jan 23rd 2011 at 12:01:47 PM

Pot? Wow, we never really went into pot just the fun stuff; coke, meth, heroin ect.

OnTheOtherHandle Since: Feb, 2010
#86: Jan 23rd 2011 at 12:07:00 PM

Back when I was acting like the smug Straight Edge people you describe, I didn't know what Straight Edge(ism?) was. I was simply a sheltered suburban kid in a conservative family raised to believe that drugs and sex were evil, and I just rolled with it. I got to high school and realized that drug users are for the most part perfectly nice people, and my attitudes changed, although I never did take up drinking, smoking, or harder drugs and I don't plan to. (Pre-marital sex is a different deal.) For smoking, it's because the smell gives me a headache and the pictures of blackened lungs they showed us in health class were scarring. For drinking and doing drugs, it's because it sounds scary to lose control of yourself like that.

But I certainly don't think it's morally wrong. The only time I would get mad is if a smoker is standing there smoking in front of me and therefore forcing me to inhale the smoke if I want to talk to him/her.

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Kino Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Californicating
neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#88: Jan 23rd 2011 at 12:31:16 PM

"Back when I was acting like the smug Straight Edge people you describe, I didn't know what Straight Edge(ism?) was. I was simply a sheltered suburban kid in a conservative family raised to believe that drugs and sex were evil, and I just rolled with it." - OTOH

This. You don't have to be aware of the "straight edge" movement in its punk context, just to be convinced that recreational drug use is horrible. My views on drug use have changed a fair bit since middle school, (namely, not considering it as bad as I used to) but I'm still inclined to mostly avoid it myself.

edited 23rd Jan '11 12:33:02 PM by neoYTPism

Herbarius Since: Nov, 2009
#89: Jan 23rd 2011 at 3:03:25 PM

I think standard aim is something around vegan, no alcohol, no smoking, no drugs?
As far as a straight-edge friend of mine explained it to me it's like this:

  • No (recreational) drugs of any kind (including alcohol and tobacco)
  • No promiscuity (having many sexual partners in the absence of any commitment)

Also, according to him, Vegetarianism or Veganism is not part of "straight-edge", but it's very common among straight-edgers to be vegan or at least vegetarian. (He is vegan himself.)

As for him, he doesn't usually lecture about drugs, alcohol or sex. He has been around while others were drinking beer or smoking weed and he doesn't say anything against it... At least as long he isn't bothered by smoke coming in his direction. He is a strong proponent of people should alway have the right to do as they please (as long as it doesn't take other people's freedom away), though. However, he does sometimes tend to lecture about eating meat, from the standpoint of also being a strong proponent of Animal Rights.

edited 23rd Jan '11 3:14:12 PM by Herbarius

RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona Since: Aug, 2009
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#91: Jan 27th 2011 at 11:50:51 PM

D.A.R.E was awesome; i'm one of the few people who paid attention, thus i'm not plowing my money on pot and E; the crazy knowledge of drugs was like a bonus.

I enjoyed DARE in 6th grade. However, by 11th grade I was hanging around with a bunch of stoners (I stayed sober, but I'm the type of guy that actually gets caught doing illegal stuff).

The problem is that they take the Reefer Madness approach to teaching kids about drugs, which doesn't match up with real life.

Edit: I should mention that I moved after 7th grade, so my stoner friends had a different DARE teacher than I did.

edited 28th Jan '11 7:47:07 PM by Malph

Kino Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Californicating
#92: Jan 28th 2011 at 9:13:49 AM

Really? Sounds like you had a shitty teacher. Our D.A.R.E officer knew most of us personally so he knew that a few kids were drinking and smoking pot; realism is always good.

IanExMachina The Paedofinder General from Gone with the Chickens Since: Jul, 2009
The Paedofinder General
#93: Jan 28th 2011 at 1:55:42 PM

Karmakin said it pretty well. That having the gall to not enjoy the prospect of headaches, vomiting uncontrollably, soiling yourself, cascading situations of poor judgment, risk of concrete harm to yourself and those around you, nauseating smell, and having to imbibe large amounts of a substance violently offensive to one's taste buds to get there somehow makes us the weird ones is even more deeply disturbing than the behavior itself.

A lot of what you say is only experienced due to a binge or just overindulgence however:

  • Not everyone experiences headaches from a hangover, also being hydrated removes this obstacle for the morning.
  • Again, overindulgence will lead to vomiting, nothing to say moderate consumption is bad.
  • As above.
  • Lowered inhibitions may lead to poor judgements, they may not. Too subjective to determine if they are or not.
  • For more harm I'd agree here.
  • Subjective on nauseating smell.
  • Subjective due to people enjoying different tastes.

You are considered weird in western society because alcohol is a common and supported drug/drink, which the majority make use of.

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#94: Jan 28th 2011 at 3:50:18 PM

I wasn't talking about sensible moderation (which I have no problem with). Where I went to college, you were considered weird for not recklessly overindulging.

IanExMachina The Paedofinder General from Gone with the Chickens Since: Jul, 2009
The Paedofinder General
#95: Jan 28th 2011 at 3:53:18 PM

[up]

Yeah if those were considered normal I'd agree with you.
Despite what the media says I'd say that the US deals with alcohol and reaching the legal age worse than the UK.

By the powers invested in me by tabloid-reading imbeciles, I pronounce you guilty of paedophilia!
neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#96: Jan 28th 2011 at 9:51:50 PM

"Where I went to college, you were considered weird for not recklessly overindulging." - Pykrete

Well, tell those individuals who consider you weird for that to go fuck themselves.

Saxon Since: Nov, 2010
#98: Jan 29th 2011 at 1:39:14 PM

The fact that these people have chosen to create a name for their "lifestyle"/abstinence, and have also created certain signs and codes of behaviour that go with it is evidence enough for me that they are trying to project an air of superiority.

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RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona Since: Aug, 2009
Jesus as in Revelations
#99: Jan 29th 2011 at 2:12:49 PM

Signs and codes of behaviour? How so?

Also, how come counterculture has managed to associate itself so heavily to recreational drugs, including tobacco and alcohol? I can hardly think of a more self-defeating way of fighting the system.

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