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Wicked223 from Death Star in the forest Since: Apr, 2009
#351: Apr 3rd 2011 at 2:35:57 PM

Rap (The onyl thing I really listen to is Public Enemy)

Prominent releases in most subgenres:

Alternative hip-hop:

  • A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory
  • Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
  • De La Soul - 3 Feet High and Rising
  • Gnarls Barkley - St. Elsewhere
  • OutKast - Stankonia

Hardcore hip-hop/Gangsta rap:

  • Boogie Down Productions - Criminal Minded
  • Eminem - The Slim Shady LP
  • Eric B. and Rakim - Paid in Full
  • Gang Starr - Moment of Truth
  • Nas - Illmatic
  • The Notorious B.I.G. - Ready to Die
  • N.W.A. - ''Straight Outta Compton
  • Wu-Tang Clan - Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)

Underground hip-hop

  • Aesop Rock - None Shall Pass
  • Cannibal Ox - The Cold Vein
  • Company Flow - Funcrusher Plus
  • cLOUDDEAD - cLOUDDEAD
  • Deltron 3030 - Deltron 3030
  • Madvillain - Madvillainy

edited 3rd Apr '11 2:46:32 PM by Wicked223

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TheGloomer Since: Sep, 2010
#352: Apr 3rd 2011 at 3:07:52 PM

For first wave Jamaican ska, it's pretty much impossible to acquire original albums. Your best option would be to track down a compilation by Prince Buster, Desmond Dekker, Laurel Aiken or the Skatalites.

As for the 2 Tone British ska revival, The Specials by the The Specials, One Step Beyond by Madness and Too Much Pressure by the Selecter are the obvious starting points. The (English) Beat and Bad Manners are pretty good as well, but I'm not familiar enough with their discographies to recommend specific albums.

Third wave ska is Sublime (all three of their albums), Reel Big Fish (Turn the Radio Off, Why Do They Rock So Hard), Less Than Jake (Losing Streak, Hello Rockview), the Mighty Mighty Bosstones (Let's Face It) and maybe Operation Ivy (who only did one album - Energy).

NULLcHiLD27 Since: Oct, 2010
#353: Apr 3rd 2011 at 4:21:35 PM

@Thenamelesssamurai

The only Sludge Metal bands I know of are Black Tusk and Baroness.


Any suggestions for bands similar to this?

edited 3rd Apr '11 4:40:16 PM by NULLcHiLD27

JHM Apparition in the Woods from Niemandswasser Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Hounds of love are hunting
Apparition in the Woods
#354: Apr 3rd 2011 at 4:39:34 PM

@Thenamelesssamurai: While not personally an expert on math-rock, I have several friends who are very into the genre. Here are some frequent favourites that I can back up:

  • Polvo, Cor-Crane Secret
  • Hella, Hold Your Horse Is
  • Ahleuchatistas, The Same and the Other
  • Ungdomskulen, Cry-Baby

And then there are the things which, while not of the genre per se run in the same vein or preceded it:

  • Lightning Bolt, Lightning Bolt
  • This Heat, Made Available: The Peel Sessions
  • Henry Cow, In Praise Of Learning

edited 3rd Apr '11 4:39:52 PM by JHM

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Saeglopur Resident Hipster from Various places in the UK Since: Jan, 2001
Resident Hipster
#355: Apr 3rd 2011 at 5:03:56 PM

[up] FUCK YEAH, UNGDOMSKULEN! When your language has such a ridiculously badass-sounding word that actually translates as 'Middle School', you know that your language is awesome. I love Norwegian.

Aaaanyway, Math-Rock for thenamelesssamurai...

Personal favourites:

  • Battles - Mirrored
  • This Town Needs Guns - Animals
  • Youthmovies - Good Nature (also listen to the EP they released under their previous name of Youthmovie Soundtrack Strategies, which is called *deep breath* Hurrah! Another Year, Surely This One Will Be Better Than the Last; The Inexorable March of Progress Will Lead Us All to Happiness.)
  • Tubelord - Our First American Friends
  • Maps & Atlases - You & Me & The Mountain or Perch Patchwork

Classics of the genre:

  • Don Caballero - Don Caballero 2 or American Don
  • American Football - American Football
  • Shellac - Excellent Italian Greyhound
  • Q And Not U - No Kill No Beep Beep
  • Slint - Spiderland

edited 3rd Apr '11 5:04:40 PM by Saeglopur

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JHM Apparition in the Woods from Niemandswasser Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Hounds of love are hunting
Apparition in the Woods
#356: Apr 3rd 2011 at 5:13:11 PM

[up] Don Caballero! Yes!

Also, here are a few more people that aren't really math-rock, but of a similar aesthetic and worth looking into if you haven't already:

  • Minutemen, Double Nickels On The Dime
  • Gastr Del Sol, Camofleur
  • Ludus, The Seduction

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MetaFour AXTE INCAL AXTUCE MUN from A Place (Old Master)
AXTE INCAL AXTUCE MUN
#357: Apr 3rd 2011 at 5:29:31 PM

Third Wave Ska Revival
In addition to the stuff that Gloomer mentioned, you should check out Five Iron Frenzy (Our Newest Album Ever!, Quantity is Job 1 EP, and for their more hardcore-leaning stuff, Electric Boogaloo). For very obscure stuff, I'm legally obligated to rec my favorite ska album ever, Runforyerlife by Runforyerlife.

Jazz fusion
Bitches Brew and In A Silent Way by Miles Davis. Friday Night in San Fransisco by the Guitar Trio (John McLaughlin, Al Di Meola, and Paco De Lucia). In fact, anything John McLaughlin is involved in is probably a good bet. Future Shock and Headhunters are the only Herbie Hancock albums I own, and they're both great.

arks Boiled and Mashed Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
Boiled and Mashed
#358: Apr 3rd 2011 at 11:28:46 PM

That is a lot of genres. It might have been better to break them up rather than lumping them all together. I'll try to see what I can do, though.

* Impressionism (That's not Debussy)

I would probably suggest contemporary who sounds nothing like Debussy but is often lumped with him Maurice Ravel. For a piece that sounds kind of like the impressionist aesthetic, I suggest Daphnis et Chloe.

* Contemporary Classical from the 70s onwards (doesn't have to be avant-garde though)

There is so much variety in that time frame. It depends on what you want. I'll try to get you started.

  • Witold Lutoslawski: Cello Concerto or Symphony No. 3. There's a collection that's called "The Essential Lutoslawski" that's worth having.
  • George Crumb: Makrokosmos and Black Angels are his most famous, but he has many other good pieces like Ancient Voices and Quest.
  • The underground rejection of academic music: Look into Bang on a Can. Get their Best of and Compilation albums.
  • Elliot Carter: A composer who uses wildly morphing time signatures and set theory to define his music. I would highly suggest listening to the David Starobin version of Shards. That's probably his easiest piece to get (and Starobin's is hands down the best performance out there).
  • Henryk Gorecki: He actually broke into pop charts with his Symphony No. 3
  • Joan Tower: Ignore her more popular works and go straight to Made in America
  • Wendy Carlos: Digital Moonscapes and Beauty in the Beast. Early experimentation with synthesizers
  • Wolfgang Rihm: Musique fur drei Streicher
  • Luciano Berio: Sequenzas and Sinfonia

* Minimalism

  • Steve Reich: Piano Phase, Different Trains, Music for 18 Musicians
  • Terry Riley: In C, A Rainbow in Curved Air
  • John Adams: Short Ride on a Fast Machine, Naive and Sentimental Music, Phrygian Gates
  • Lamonte Young: To be Held a Long Time. Young wrote in many styles. What you want to find is his drone music. It's damn near impossible, though.
  • David Lang: Child, Cheating, Lying, Stealing, Little Match Girl

* Expressionism

Here I go straight to Alban Berg and his operas. If you aren't willing to sit through an entire opera, even if it's shorter than most. There's also the Lyric Suite.

* Neoclassicism that isn't Stravinsky

The Russians had the best. I suggest listening to some Prokofiev. He did move in and out of neoclassicism, though.

* Bela Fleck (Whoever recommended that live album, I got that, but I want more)

Left of Cool, Flight of the Cosmic Hippo

I think I might have revealed a bias with my suggestions. Oh well.

edited 4th Apr '11 12:17:54 AM by arks

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KitsuneInferno Jackass Detector from East Tennessee Since: Apr, 2009
Jackass Detector
#359: Apr 4th 2011 at 7:59:25 PM

Detroit techno?

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt." - Some guy with a snazzy hat.
SpainSun Laugh it off, everybody from Somewhere Beyond Here Since: Jan, 2010
Laugh it off, everybody
#360: Apr 4th 2011 at 8:00:36 PM

DT is really more of a singles and EP's genre, I think.

Not sure, though.

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iamathousandapples The Collective from Northeast Ohio Megablob Since: Oct, 2009
The Collective
#361: Apr 4th 2011 at 8:23:22 PM

Trip Hop
DJ Shadow - Endtroducing...

Math Rock/Math Metal
Giraffes? Giraffes! - More Skin With Milk-Mouth

Avant-prog
maudlin of the Well - Bath
maudlin of the Well - Leaving Your Body Map
dunno if this one counts but it's right up your alley if you want weird shit...
Naked City - Naked City

Grindcore
Napalm Death - Scum

Jazz Fusion
Return to Forever - Hymn of The Seventh Galaxy
Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame

Still looking for bands like Marillion...

edited 4th Apr '11 8:24:45 PM by iamathousandapples

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KingOfKings from Santiago Since: Feb, 2011
#362: Apr 5th 2011 at 1:34:19 PM

Jazz fusion

  • Pat Metheny Group - Still Life (Talking)
  • Anything by Return to Forever
  • Jaco Pastorius - Jaco Pastorius
  • Weather Report - Weather Report (any of them)

Looking for:

  • Portishead
  • Godspeed You! Black Emperor

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Wicked223 from Death Star in the forest Since: Apr, 2009
#363: Apr 5th 2011 at 1:38:57 PM

  • Portishead - Dummy
  • Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas To Heaven

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Lordnecronus dOOOOM from Wales Since: Sep, 2009
dOOOOM
#365: Apr 6th 2011 at 2:28:52 AM

[up] Close to the Edge seems to be considered their best. tongue

last.fm | RYM
JHM Apparition in the Woods from Niemandswasser Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Hounds of love are hunting
Apparition in the Woods
#367: Apr 6th 2011 at 9:47:37 AM

Oh, look, a whark...

I prefer Third to Dummy, but the latter is definitely easier to get into. As for GYBE!, Lift Your Skinny Fists foots the bill, but so does f#a#∞, if only for the inclusion of "Dead Flag Blues".

edited 6th Apr '11 9:51:45 AM by JHM

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Litis from Israel Since: Jul, 2009
#368: Apr 7th 2011 at 12:24:14 PM

I need industrial.

And before you recommend me Swans, Cabaret Voltaire, Skinny Puppy, Throbbing Gristle - stop. I need music with an industrial feel.

The only real example of this I have is Godflesh:

Yeah, it's industrial metal, but it captivates the atmosphere I'm looking for so perfectly. I've never been to Birmingham - described by native Justin Broadrick as a polluted, grey and depressing shithole with factories at every step. Yet Streetcleaner describes it so effectively - even while lacking lyrics targeting it - that I sure as hell don't want to ever end up there (or maybe I do).

I've listened to Greymachine (obviously a JKB side project) a little and it got that feeling too, but it felt kind of unstructured. I need music of this kind that wasn't made by Justin. And that is not necessarily metal.

Why don't the aforementioned groups fit into the above description? Well, at least to me, their music didn't even try to hold up an atmosphere of bleakness and mechanization, even though I actually like some of them.

So I'm asking of you: industrial atmosphere, not labelled with industrial.

edited 7th Apr '11 1:49:16 PM by Litis

inane242 Anwalt der Verdammten from A B-Movie Bildungsroman Since: Nov, 2010
Anwalt der Verdammten
#369: Apr 7th 2011 at 12:49:20 PM

More accessible industrial? I'm gonna recommend you Laibach, either WAT or Let It Be.

If that isn't right, Croc Shop might do it, if you need something more ambient try something by Current 93, (I don't know enough about them to recommend specifics though).

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Litis from Israel Since: Jul, 2009
#370: Apr 7th 2011 at 12:58:49 PM

"Accessible"? Did you actually read my post? I know it's hard to bring yourself to read all that, but come on.

And Laibach are not my thing, I've heard them earlier today.

edited 7th Apr '11 12:59:29 PM by Litis

inane242 Anwalt der Verdammten from A B-Movie Bildungsroman Since: Nov, 2010
Anwalt der Verdammten
#371: Apr 7th 2011 at 1:23:32 PM

Sowee, I'm half asleep at the moment. XP

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JHM Apparition in the Woods from Niemandswasser Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Hounds of love are hunting
Apparition in the Woods
#372: Apr 7th 2011 at 1:55:24 PM

If you wants stuff that feels miserable and dingy... Well, you ruled out two groups that could provide that already: Swans and Throbbing Gristle, specifically Body To Body, Job To Job and Best Of... Volume I. The former is sludgy, visceral, and strangely mechanical; the latter is much more abstract and diffuse, but just as oppressive and alienating. To compare to Godflesh: One is Streetcleaner but edgier, the other is Pure but more nebulous.

Just a disclaimer, however: The Throbbing Gristle release in question actually predates The Second Annual Report, and is therefor impossible to find a physical copy of. Digitally, however... It's fairly easily come across.

On a related note, I might also recommend Mirror's Die Spiegelmanufaktur. While perhaps not of this vein per se, you may well enjoy it. Think ambient music for abandoned factories on the moon.

edited 7th Apr '11 2:00:38 PM by JHM

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Litis from Israel Since: Jul, 2009
#373: Apr 7th 2011 at 2:07:17 PM

Awesome, thanks! So good to have experts on board. smile

Saeglopur Resident Hipster from Various places in the UK Since: Jan, 2001
Resident Hipster
#374: Apr 7th 2011 at 2:19:09 PM

@Litis: Completely off topic - but I live in Birmingham, and some parts of it (the south and far north) are actually quite nice. The city centre has both nice bits and really, really horrid bits, and as soon as you stray north of the centre, it just goes downhill from there really. But it isn't unremittingly shit, so you'd probably be disappointed if you visited tongue

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MetaFour AXTE INCAL AXTUCE MUN from A Place (Old Master)
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#375: Apr 9th 2011 at 7:56:08 AM

Any mariachi recommendations?


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