I see the Awesomeness.
Hm, Innocent is used both ways. It's hard to tell which one makes more sense on the page. Perhaps moving the first one to something like Peaceful Aliens?
Fight smart, not fair.
Sounds like two tropes to me. The second is narrow enough that the portrayal is going to be almost completely different. There's a lot of difference between a tourist/hermit and a baby, and that's how the two definitions basically seem to me.
Ok, tourist and hermit aren't quite right, but it's still rather different from the second.
edited 12th Jan '11 1:19:51 PM by Arha
And a lot of the examples don't seem to quite be either. They seem to be of the idea that I stated in the image picking thread. "Family takes in alien and protects it from the big bad government / alien bounty hunters / the neighbours."
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
I see the Awesomeness.
That sounds more like a plot line than an actual character.
Fight smart, not fair.
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^ That may means there may be three tropes:
- Aliens who have no hostile intent (Character trope)
- Aliens who are naive and babe-in-the-woods-innocent (Character trope)
- Aliens who are adopted or hidden by kindly earthlings to protect them from hostile Earth agencies. (Plot trope)
The first two could stay on the same page with a Type1/Type 2 soft split.
I can see truth in an argument that those in the second category are always in the first category as well.
edited 12th Jan '11 1:27:01 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
The first two sound like super/sub tropes to me
edited 12th Jan '11 1:29:23 PM by joeyjojojuniorshabadoo
* Aliens who have no hostile intent (Character trope) edited 12th Jan '11 2:25:31 PM by troacctid
Rhymes with "Protracted."
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We should not turn a page for a stock phrase into a trope for a subset of the times it's used. Besides, a lot of the aliens who fit that trope are stranded by accident, or lost when they get here and never use the phrase.
edited 12th Jan '11 3:13:38 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Bumping because this
image pickin thread related to it didn't get resolved.
I'd suggest going with ET The Extra Terrestrial, especially this
◊ pic.
^^^^^ I've most associated the term Innocent Aliens with bullets 1 & 3.
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
Bullets one and three from post 6 seem a lot more like each other than point two does like either of them, but they're clearly (to me) distinct tropes as well.
The child is father to the man —Oedipus
^ Bullet 3 feels like it could either be a subtrope for Innocent Aliens or a Plot Trope that specifically involves Innocent Aliens, if it were separated.
edited 11th Apr '11 1:45:18 PM by SeanMurrayI
We also have, or used to have, We Come in Peace — Shoot to Kill, which is/was a more generic trope, even if it kinda sorta was two or more tropes in one.
Where is the image picking thread for this? I recall seeing it a while ago but don't see it linked to on the trope page now.
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It's on page 11, and locked, because it was agreed that we can't pick a good image until we have a clear definition. here
edited 24th Apr '11 8:04:40 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
We still have about three tropes on this page. I'm going to make a crowner to split.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Crown Description:
What would be the best way to fix the page?
This came to light inthe Image Pickin' thread.
This trope has two different definitions in the same trope:
This very broad one:
Then in the next paragraph, the much narrower definition that they
So, which is it? Aliens who simply aren't here to cause any trouble; or naive, wide-eyed, idealistic babe-in-the-woods aliens who may be so helpless as to need to be protected?
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.