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moberemk Dread Lord from Canada Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
Dread Lord
#226: Aug 19th 2011 at 7:16:09 AM

These are all good points, but the problem for me here is that I figure Gary would consent in a heartbeat. What makes it rape is that he was never offered a choice either way.

This being MA 3 all of these implications will never be discussed.

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Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#227: Aug 19th 2011 at 3:04:37 PM

I just consider the whole thing Refuge in Audacity and be done with it. The whole thing is so contrived and ridiculous that it doesn't seem to make any implications about reality at all.

I mean, come on. The whole thing rides on the facts that Gary's gay best friend occasionally cosplays as his favourite porn star, practised kissing techniques with said Gary, lives with said porn star due to similarly crazy circumstances without Gary even knowing, and Gary being so completely clueless/insecure/actually quite aware of the fact that these circumstances are indeed so impossible that it is too good to be true.

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#228: Aug 19th 2011 at 3:56:46 PM

Sometimes, I gotta say, Double Standards exist for a reason.

Rape Is Ok When It Is Female On Male can work because sometimes a guy isn't going to care. Their is a significant less chance he will.

What makes it shameful is that sometimes a man is negatively affected but will never recieve his justice because no one takes him seriously.

edited 19th Aug '11 3:58:49 PM by God_of_Awesome

MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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#229: Aug 19th 2011 at 5:35:38 PM

It doesn't matter if the guy would care or not, he's essentially being conned into doing something against his knowledge.

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vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
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#230: Aug 19th 2011 at 5:56:11 PM

@Mullon:It actually doesn't bother me...Now let's think how this could come to even happen if the genders were reversed: A gender reversed version is even more impossible, a dick is even more conspicuous than a vagina, and if you go to the point of licking the asshole, there are two lumps of muscle next to that one. Hey, the vagina is conspicuous enough on its own, that he hasn't noticed doesn't detract from the implausibility of the scenario to actually happen in reality.

@Sal Fish Fin: I can agree that there is a distinct wrongdoing happening here, but I cannot bring myself to feel this is a serious case of rape instead of a misunderstanding that ended somehow in rape in the legal sense.

edited 19th Aug '11 6:02:57 PM by vandro

MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
#231: Aug 19th 2011 at 6:00:18 PM

This shouldn't even be happening without the genders reversed.

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MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
#233: Aug 19th 2011 at 6:03:56 PM

OK. Fair enough.

Although, it's not a misunderstanding if someone is intentionally mislead.

edited 19th Aug '11 6:04:18 PM by MrAHR

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vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
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#234: Aug 19th 2011 at 6:06:33 PM

The misleading didn't happen when she assumed he meant a cunnilingus technique, it started when he assumed she was dillon.

Toodle Since: Dec, 1969
#235: Aug 19th 2011 at 6:27:09 PM

I'm not sure it really matters if the genders were reversed.

The point here is that admittedly, consent was not given by either party, yet there is still something explicitly sexual occurring that one of them did not intend to carry through with, which the other did nothing to prevent despite having no reason to believe the other would consent to it.

But in spite of that, just because this is legally a kind of sexual assault does not mean that the affected parties are going to leave both physically and emotionally scarred and traumatized. Sure, maybe GARY [edit; I stopped reading this comic for...I don't even remember, and boy it shows] is about to get unprecedentedly upset about something sexual, but then maybe he won't.

Either way, the circumstance still raises plenty of questions about human sexuality, and whether or not what amounts to a rather focused law pertaining to consent could ever hope to realistically cover all the ways people initiate sexual acts with each other, and what among those are and are not okay to the participants involved, and where responsibility lies if they aren't, and how far the law should go in those cases.

But yeah, no matter how worthy a topic of discussion this hypothetical situation lends itself to, it's in this comic. Which means all of us suspect that an issue this complicated and inflammatory wasn't introduced as some attempt demonstrate a point, but instead some ad hoc method to get somebody's tongue all up in someone else's private bits.

edited 19th Aug '11 7:08:56 PM by Toodle

nomuru2d Gamer-turning-maker from Port Saint Lucie, FL Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
Gamer-turning-maker
#236: Aug 19th 2011 at 9:31:28 PM

... Oh, shit is hitting the fan NOW. *

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Shota Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
girlyboy Since: Jan, 2001
#238: Aug 19th 2011 at 11:49:19 PM

I just want to say that the statement "sometimes raping a guy is okay cuz he's a guy, so he probably won't care" is really, really, really stupid.

A lot.

Also offensive.

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#239: Aug 20th 2011 at 1:03:19 AM

It's kind of weird how someone could mistake a vagina for a mouth.

Even if they're shaped similar, one would be turned 90 degrees.

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Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#240: Aug 20th 2011 at 1:51:32 AM

[up]When did a 90°-ish angle become an obstacle to a kiss? It's not uncommon to see both people tilt their head 45°-ish to one side... Helps avoid that pesky nose thing.

edited 20th Aug '11 1:52:35 AM by Medinoc

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#241: Aug 20th 2011 at 1:53:37 AM

...you don't think it's weird? It's like you kiss them when they're lying on their back, and you're standing up perpendicular to the surface.

It wouldn't mesh right...

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Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#242: Aug 20th 2011 at 1:55:31 AM

Well, with Gary's current position (which is all the information he gets) it would definitely be weird.

edited 20th Aug '11 1:55:52 AM by Medinoc

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Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#243: Aug 20th 2011 at 2:45:46 AM

[up]Well, it's not like he's been doing this kissing stuff a lot. He did notice something was different, but he had too little experience to figure out just HOW odd.

Anyhow, we are soon going to see exactly what Gary is going to think of his rape. That might get interesting.

MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
#244: Aug 20th 2011 at 5:38:30 AM

Meh. My guess? A mild freak out more because OMIGOD IT'S NOT DILLON WHO IS THIS LADY HOSHIT and then comedy, and then that's it.

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Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#245: Aug 20th 2011 at 6:04:08 AM

You know what would be refreshing? If Gary was reasonably pissed instead of "Oh my God I went down on a pretty girl yay!" that he's probably going to be.

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AliceMacher (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#246: Aug 20th 2011 at 6:15:04 AM

Given Gary's habitual reactions to anything in the ballpark of getting somewhere with women, I predict his immediate reaction will be neither joy nor anger, but a massive Heroic BSoD.

Remember, we're talking about a guy who used to get nosebleeds and pass out merely from a woman flashing her boobs at him. Not letting him touch them, not kissing him, just flashing them.

He's going to go catatonic. Calling it now.

Shota Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
#247: Aug 20th 2011 at 8:53:17 AM

Well, that's not even considering how he has to SMELL something different than a mouth!

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#248: Aug 20th 2011 at 9:28:02 AM

Maybe he thinks it's Dillon's weird cologne.

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