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TripleElation Diagonalizing The Matrix from Haifa, Isarel Since: Jan, 2001
Diagonalizing The Matrix
#1: Jan 10th 2011 at 8:42:35 PM

1. The image is based on the realization that the character isn't really doing this, it's the fans projecting their wishes onto the character and what they wish he would do. Is that a reasonable mental leap to base an image on? I'm not sure (I mean, I got it, but only because wandering through this wiki has forced me to be familiar with the fact that the guy in the middle and the girl on the left aren't interested in each other in canon).

2. More importantly, can anyone from Avatar The Last Airbender fandom do their best to give some objective account on whether the pairing pictured as "favorite" in there is actually an example of the trope? I mean, is it really significantly more popular than the canon alternative.

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SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#2: Jan 11th 2011 at 4:31:23 AM

  1. :Go to Fanfiction.net
  2. :Search "Zutara."
  3. :Then Search "Kataang."
  4. :???
  5. :Profit!!!

In fact, I did it for you. searching "kataang -zutara site:fanfiction.net" on google yielded 1100 results, while "-kataang zutara site:fanfiction.net" had 3800 results.

In any case, it's copyrighted to a deviantart member, so we'll need a better one. This one is better drawn.

edited 27th Feb '11 4:49:07 PM by SalFishFin

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
I see the Awesomeness.
#3: Jan 11th 2011 at 6:44:29 AM

Generally a "signature" is okay, it's the little copyright symbol itself we need to watch out for. Still not a good image.

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helterskelter Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#4: Jan 11th 2011 at 6:46:22 AM

If there's any issue, it's difficult to say, if you never watched it, that the boy and the girl embracing aren't together anyway. The other fanart image works in that regards, but it's a lot of text, and might be hard to make out shrunk.

Also, I agree we have to watch for (c), but also bear in mind plenty a misguided fan "copyrighted" their fanfiction when they did no such thing. Just stamping (c) on anything doesn't work.

edited 11th Jan '11 6:47:31 AM by helterskelter

ThePope Since: Oct, 2010
#5: Jan 11th 2011 at 10:10:01 PM

I'm okay with the current image.

rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#6: Jan 12th 2011 at 12:02:59 AM

[up][up] I was under the impression that it totally works. Like, trespassing on a piece of property might be illegal whether or not there is a NO TRESPASSING sign, but some kinds of proceedings will care whether or not a sign was posted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#Obtaining_copyright

http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

"...almost everything created privately and originally after April 1, 1989 is copyrighted and protected whether it has a notice or not..."

edited 12th Jan '11 12:08:18 AM by rodneyAnonymous

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TripleElation Diagonalizing The Matrix from Haifa, Isarel Since: Jan, 2001
Diagonalizing The Matrix
#7: Feb 6th 2011 at 1:31:21 AM

Bumpity.

I'm seriously considering pulling it. Again (and I'd like a straight answer this time if possible), is this actually an example? Even if so, it seems dangerously close to "example above the example line". I'm leaning towards not picturable on this one.

edited 6th Feb '11 1:31:53 AM by TripleElation

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helterskelter Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#8: Feb 6th 2011 at 2:19:55 AM

Is Zuko and Katara preferred over Aang and Katara? Without being a part of the fandom and having no bearing on these characters or their relationship, I'd say so.

suedenim Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl from Jet Dream HQ Since: Oct, 2009
Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
#9: Feb 6th 2011 at 7:37:59 AM

Isn't the whole thing JAFAAC anyway? I have no idea who any of those people are.

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Catalogue A pocketful of saudade. from where the good times are Since: Sep, 2009
A pocketful of saudade.
#10: Feb 6th 2011 at 9:02:27 AM

The current one is bordering on JAFAAC. The one suggested above at least shows us that some fans made them to.

Although more or less I'm okay with the image.

I don't know anything about the fandom, though.

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#11: Feb 6th 2011 at 12:02:43 PM

There's definitely things going on in that fanart. Someone is getting pushed away. The caption provides the push that links what's going on in the image to the trope. I don't think it's Just A Face And A Caption.

jewelleddragon Also known as Katz from Pasadena, CA Since: Apr, 2009
Also known as Katz
#12: Feb 6th 2011 at 4:28:38 PM

At the least, I don't think it's so terrible that it deserves to be pulled without a replacement. It's obviously "the girl is hooking up with the one guy instead of the other guy," so I think it's at least vaguely indicative even if you aren't familiar with the series.

edited 6th Feb '11 4:29:37 PM by jewelleddragon

TripleElation Diagonalizing The Matrix from Haifa, Isarel Since: Jan, 2001
Diagonalizing The Matrix
#13: Feb 6th 2011 at 8:09:48 PM

Maybe we need a caption that does a better job of filling in the missing pieces of the puzzle. Like "How fans would rather have it, canon be damned".

edited 6th Feb '11 8:10:01 PM by TripleElation

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marheavenangel89 Captain Mimi from TEXAS!!!! Since: Mar, 2010
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#14: Feb 7th 2011 at 9:07:44 AM

[up] This as a caption has my vote!

This is Mimi-don't let her cuteness fool you-she's got spunk.
TripleElation Diagonalizing The Matrix from Haifa, Isarel Since: Jan, 2001
Diagonalizing The Matrix
#15: Feb 11th 2011 at 11:48:30 AM

Okay, I changed the caption. I think now at least it's past the "worse than no image" line. Do we have a better image?

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TripleElation Diagonalizing The Matrix from Haifa, Isarel Since: Jan, 2001
Diagonalizing The Matrix
#16: Feb 21st 2011 at 4:09:47 AM

I'll take that as a "no".

If nothing very surprising happens, I'll holler for a mod to lock this soon.

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SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#17: Feb 21st 2011 at 10:23:34 AM

How about we put in the shot of Aang and Katara kissing and label it "Canon," just to bring the point home?

TripleElation Diagonalizing The Matrix from Haifa, Isarel Since: Jan, 2001
Diagonalizing The Matrix
#18: Feb 21st 2011 at 10:49:23 AM

[up] That'd definitely be an improvement, but I'm not sure how we'd go about it. Using someone's fanart is one thing; appropriating it is something else. At the very least stretching it in any direction is not a good idea.

edited 21st Feb '11 11:06:54 AM by TripleElation

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SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#19: Feb 21st 2011 at 12:10:55 PM

[up]The title of the trope is Fan-Preferred Couple. This is a case where using Fanart would be useful.

TripleElation Diagonalizing The Matrix from Haifa, Isarel Since: Jan, 2001
Diagonalizing The Matrix
#20: Feb 21st 2011 at 3:18:47 PM

Yes, we already are. I mean we should not take too much... liberties... with it. The artist may find it insulting.

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JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#21: Feb 21st 2011 at 3:32:30 PM

[up][up]What he means is that we shouldn't take someone's fanart and modify it without their permission. Someone might get miffed if they see that we've changed one of their pictures for use here.

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BigT grimAuxiliatrix Since: Jan, 2001
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#22: Feb 26th 2011 at 4:37:35 AM

I still like the one that shows the little fans making it happen.

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Sackett Since: Jan, 2001
#23: Feb 27th 2011 at 8:25:35 AM

I think the current one is okay, but the one proposed in post 2 above is better.

This one.

suedenim Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl from Jet Dream HQ Since: Oct, 2009
Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
#24: Feb 27th 2011 at 8:32:12 AM

[up]I like that one too. While I still have no idea who the people in the image are, the "pushy fans" aspect comes across clearly.

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#25: Feb 27th 2011 at 4:41:57 PM

I kinda like that one too.

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