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Myrmidon The Ant King from In Antartica Since: Nov, 2009
The Ant King
#76: Jan 6th 2011 at 12:17:23 PM

Chrono Trigger is a pretty good SNES RPG. It's overrated, but how could it not be?

That's kind of all I have to say about that.

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Marioguy128 Geomancer from various galaxies Since: Jan, 2010
Geomancer
#77: Jan 6th 2011 at 12:21:29 PM

It's overrated, but how could it not be?

If less people talked about it.

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KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#78: Jan 6th 2011 at 12:24:11 PM

[up][up][up]Which is all fine. I don't care about your opinion, but I took exception to the way you dismissed Rebo's statement.

"Stupidity of the highest order" would be that suggesting that a very specific speech trope which you dislike for reasons you've yet disclosed should be accepted when there's no point made why it's any better or worse than the others. You dislike Hulk Speak but like Kid's Down Unda drawl. Okay, I can accept that just fine, but taken on its own, it just seems like illogic. But again, if that's just how you feel, then fine.

edited 6th Jan '11 12:25:02 PM by KingZeal

Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#79: Jan 6th 2011 at 12:29:31 PM

It is illogical. Feelings aren't the most rational things in the world and in the case of dislike for something like the accent of some character from a video game it really, really doesn't need to be logical.

As for why I think Hulk Speak is horrible...It sounds and looks horrible. Sound and visual appeal is big thing for me in regards to words. Even things like certain sentences or words will grate on me heavily if I think they sound awkward and I often try to fix it in my head. Sound is important. Hulk Speak falls into that awkward and dumb category in my case. I rather like Kid's Australian accent because I think it sounds appealing. There are characters whose accents I do dislike in Cross (that fucking dog for example needs to die), but for the most part I found the sound (I can "hear" what I read) appealing.

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#80: Jan 6th 2011 at 12:36:05 PM

Also, Hulk Speak is much more unrealistic than an accent or a dialect. There's no reason to suppose that cavemen (who can somehow speak English, although that's another issue) would have a simpler dialect than anyone else.

Talby Since: Jun, 2009
#81: Jan 6th 2011 at 12:37:39 PM

They're not cavemen. They don't live in caves. Although they may be having their caves redecorated.

KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#82: Jan 6th 2011 at 12:38:41 PM

[up][up][up]I didn't say your feelings needed to be logical, per se, but in criticizing the aspect of one thing and praising a similar aspect in another, it just creates confusion. It'd be like me criticizing one woman because she's blond and liking another because she's blond. The fact is that there are different types of blond, and blond hair accentuates different features on different people, but just saying it that way makes me sound fickle.

That aside, I do hope that there could be other aspects of these characters that you like aside from what turns you on or off from surface value.

Also, Hulk Speak is much more unrealistic than an accent or a dialect. There's no reason to suppose that cavemen (who can somehow speak English, although that's another issue) would have a simpler dialect than anyone else.

"Realism" plays absolutely no part here. There's no realistic reason why a dog should talk.

Besides, education values, linguistic evolution, and cultural significance are all possible reasons.

edited 6th Jan '11 12:41:45 PM by KingZeal

Ralphrius Unwinning Ranger from Neo-Holland Since: May, 2010
Unwinning Ranger
#83: Jan 6th 2011 at 12:41:53 PM

This argument is pretty nonsensical considering Rebo's whole post was dismissing all people who disliked Ayla in the first place :/

Not saying I thought Rebo was being offensive, to me, neither of them really said anything wrong.

In any case, I must've finished Chrono Trigger three times now. In my eyes, it deserves the honor it's been given as a great RPG. Because, well, it is.

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Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#84: Jan 6th 2011 at 12:43:19 PM

Oh certainly I like more about characters other than surface values. I don't find much in the Cross or Trigger casts to like beyond such things and their rather basic personalities though.

As for disliking one shade of blonde while liking another or disliking it on one girl and liking it on another I do that as well and see no reason why I should not. Certain shades do not look pleasant to me and not all shades look good on certain people (it can clash with skin tone, face, and a number of other things) and if I notice such things (which I do) then so be it. I notice them and they affect my opinions.

^Yes their post was to me a not so serious joking dismissal. Which is why I responded with my own.

edited 6th Jan '11 12:44:16 PM by Aondeug

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#85: Jan 6th 2011 at 12:44:27 PM

I don't even know how many times I played it as a lad. It was my favorite game for the SNES. All I know is that last time I checked, my old SNES copy of the game has 86 Megalixers on its perpetual New Game+, and I never figured out how Charm worked back then.

edited 6th Jan '11 12:44:52 PM by TobiasDrake

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KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#86: Jan 6th 2011 at 12:45:22 PM

If anything, Rebo was just offering a counter-opinion. That's not necessarily dismissing.

Oh certainly I like more about characters other than surface values. I don't find much in the Cross or Trigger casts to like beyond such things and their rather basic personalities though.

As for disliking one shade of blonde while liking another or disliking it on one girl and liking it on another I do that as well and see no reason why I should not. Certain shades do not look pleasant to me and not all shades look good on certain people (it can clash with skin tone, face, and a number of other things) and if I notice such things (which I do) then so be it. I notice them and they affect my opinions.

I wasn't referring to ANY characters; I was just saying, with thin hope, that if someone wanted to discuss the merits of Ayla (or any other character whose aesthetic design/accent you dislike), that it wouldn't be immediately dismissed because of those qualms. For example, I dislike Harle's design and accent with an effing passion, but I think she's one of the few things I found pleasurable about Cross.

And finally...yes, all that about the blonds was exactly my point.

edited 6th Jan '11 12:49:55 PM by KingZeal

Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#87: Jan 6th 2011 at 12:48:29 PM

"Sorry, but y'all just can't appreciate the glory of Ayla."

The post in question. It is, jokingly I believe, implying that those who dislike Ayla are somehow missing something or have inferior tastes. Which comes off as dismissal of them. At least that is how it reads to me. Meanings and implications can vary greatly from person to person.

edited 6th Jan '11 12:48:57 PM by Aondeug

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#88: Jan 6th 2011 at 12:49:42 PM

Reads like that to me too. Your counter-joke didn't seem particularly offensive.

Ralphrius Unwinning Ranger from Neo-Holland Since: May, 2010
Unwinning Ranger
#89: Jan 6th 2011 at 12:51:02 PM

I have the same thing, to be honest. Not trying to bash on you or anything, Zeal, but... yeah.

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KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#90: Jan 6th 2011 at 12:51:30 PM

Okay, why would the fact that you've "missed something" be considered dismissive?

If anything, assuming that you dislike a character and haven't missed a thing is assuming that people who do like the character are seeing things that aren't there.

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#91: Jan 6th 2011 at 12:53:32 PM

Assuming ignorance on the part of the opposition is definitely dismissive. They may in fact actually be ignorant, but the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that, rather than assuming it.

Not that it matters, cause it was a joke.

Ralphrius Unwinning Ranger from Neo-Holland Since: May, 2010
Unwinning Ranger
#92: Jan 6th 2011 at 12:53:42 PM

But what about the implication of inferior taste?

Edit: And the fact that it's all a joke, of course.

edited 6th Jan '11 12:55:29 PM by Ralphrius

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Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#93: Jan 6th 2011 at 12:55:56 PM

Generally speaking to be told that you are missing something or that you have inferior tastes (which is how Rebo's post reads) is considered dismissive towards those on the receiving end of it. It was a joke and it was responded with another. Neither were terribly offensive.

I know that others see something else about Ayla that makes them like her or that they find aspects of her that I find annoying as hell to be non-bothersome and it honestly doesn't bother me that others feel differently than I do. I personally found her to be a dull character personality and ambition wise who had an annoying accent and character design.

edited 6th Jan '11 12:56:37 PM by Aondeug

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KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#94: Jan 6th 2011 at 1:00:58 PM

Inferior taste would imply that Rebo believes their reasons for liking something are inherently superior. Rebo didn't say this or anything close to it.

Assuming ignorance on the part of the opposition is definitely dismissive. They may in fact actually be ignorant, but the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that, rather than assuming it.

Except that we're talking about fictional interpretation. It's entirely possible that I could interpret something by way of Fridge Logic, Fridge Brilliance or Fridge Horror that was intended or not intended by the author. Being defensive of these types of interpretations does not make you dismissive.

But of course, I'm at a loss, because this would imply I knew Rebo's intention.

Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#95: Jan 6th 2011 at 1:03:50 PM

It does not matter that we are talking about fictional interpretation. It still comes off as dismissive, though jokingly so, to what appears to be the vast majority of people in this thread.

This conversation is going nowhere fast. Like IJBM. Mmm.

edited 6th Jan '11 1:04:23 PM by Aondeug

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
Ralphrius Unwinning Ranger from Neo-Holland Since: May, 2010
Unwinning Ranger
#96: Jan 6th 2011 at 1:04:44 PM

... Talking about dismissing, haven't you spent this entire discussion dismissing Aon's reasons for disliking Ayla with your only motivation being Aon's non-serious reaction to Rebo's post?

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Electivirus Since: Jan, 2001
#97: Jan 6th 2011 at 1:05:11 PM

Oh, um... sorry to break up this little disagreement, but Corridors of Time >>>>>>>>>> Frog's Theme.

Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#98: Jan 6th 2011 at 1:05:18 PM

Yes we are in quite the circle of dismissal...

^YES. VERY YES. Let us discuss its awesome instead. I find it reminds me of Lunar 2...

edited 6th Jan '11 1:05:50 PM by Aondeug

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
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#99: Jan 6th 2011 at 1:06:11 PM

^^ Blasphemer. Why must you blaspheme with your blasphemous blasphemy?

...wait, which song is Corridors of Time?

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KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#100: Jan 6th 2011 at 1:06:40 PM

It absolutely does matter. My entire objection, from the beginning, was that there are merits to characters (Ayla in this case) which can be considered that may or may not be equally considered along with aesthetic principles.

Just as you interpreted Rebo's post to be one way, I interpreted yours another.


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