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pvtnum11 OMG NO NOSECONES from Kerbin low orbit Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#1: Jan 5th 2011 at 11:11:50 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12123225

I'm cautiously optimistic.

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
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#2: Jan 5th 2011 at 11:14:45 AM

I'm curious what NK's idea of talking is going to be, and I'd be tempted to send an unmanned videophone drone instead of actual negotiators.

breadloaf Since: Oct, 2010
#3: Jan 5th 2011 at 11:16:50 AM

Well remember that both regimes have to play a political game with their domestic population. North Korea has to put up the image that the rest of the world is out to get them but they're the good guys. However, since they have to pretend to be good guys I'm hopeful that there can be a peaceful resolution in the future.

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#4: Jan 5th 2011 at 12:16:31 PM

Cautiously optimistic sounds about right. Who knows, maybe his son finally took power and decided this whole war thing wasn't such a good idea.

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JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#5: Jan 5th 2011 at 12:18:19 PM

edited 10th Jan '13 9:04:07 AM by JosefBugman

MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#6: Jan 6th 2011 at 7:32:35 AM

It's a bluff, same as all the other "we want to talk" spiels of the last 4 years.

JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#7: Jan 6th 2011 at 7:35:26 AM

edited 10th Jan '13 9:07:45 AM by JosefBugman

MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#8: Jan 6th 2011 at 7:38:03 AM

^ They've pulled the "we want to talk" bullshit after every major provocation of the last 4 years. Within a month of their first nuclear test it was "we want to talk" look how that went. Within 2 months of the sinking of the Cheonan it was "we want to talk" and then they shelled the island.

This one is no different than any other bluff they're bullshitting us with.

edited 6th Jan '11 7:38:23 AM by MajorTom

JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#9: Jan 6th 2011 at 7:42:20 AM

edited 10th Jan '13 9:07:53 AM by JosefBugman

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#10: Jan 6th 2011 at 8:15:30 AM

That assumes they don't starve to death before the fight is over.

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GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
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#11: Jan 6th 2011 at 12:14:43 PM

So, as expected, Kim isn't quite ready to die yet. Smart choice.

There's no good ending to this, only varying degrees of bad.

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#12: Jan 6th 2011 at 12:22:25 PM

Seems that the US is (rightfully) suspicious of this request:

US state department spokesman PJ Crowley said North Korea needed to "demonstrate it is sincere in the offer".

"There are still things that North Korea has to do to demonstrate a seriousness of purpose," he said.

He said "useful steps" would include ending provocative behaviour and for Pyongyang to recommit itself to a 2005 declaration on nuclear disarmament.

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Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#13: Jan 6th 2011 at 7:47:26 PM

First thought was "how are they defining 'unconditional'?". I mean, at times the Marxist-Leninist vocabulary is like a dictionary from another world that makes a piker of Newspeak.

Also, as has been noted above, NK is hardly unknown for using "let's talk" as a stalling tactic, with no demonstrated intention of actually getting something concrete done.

Really, without a change of senior CPNK leadership (and I don't mean just the Chairman) or a successful outright war against NK (impractical at best, given current resources), I'm exceedingly skeptical that anything will change to any noteworthy degree before I'm an old gray man  *

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JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#14: Jan 7th 2011 at 2:12:12 AM

edited 10th Jan '13 9:08:06 AM by JosefBugman

Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#15: Jan 7th 2011 at 3:00:15 AM

Part of me is ready to just go over there and jack them up so they can't stall anymore.

I don't really have any faith that NK seriously wants to negotiate about anything.

And I guess the deaths of the shelling attack in SK will go unavenged and unanswered for a time. That's the real tragedy of all this.

edited 7th Jan '11 3:00:54 AM by Barkey

JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#16: Jan 7th 2011 at 4:49:51 AM

edited 10th Jan '13 9:14:06 AM by JosefBugman

Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#17: Jan 7th 2011 at 4:58:04 AM

^^^ On the other hand, while China is getting less pleased with NK, it's nowhere near the displeasure they'd be feeling without NK to serve as a buffer between the PRC and a western style democracy  *

. I also don't see their disliking NK's antics enough to cease supporting NK, so there aren't millions of starving refugees swarming the NK/PRC border.

edited 7th Jan '11 4:58:49 AM by Nohbody

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JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#18: Jan 7th 2011 at 5:04:06 AM

edited 10th Jan '13 9:17:31 AM by JosefBugman

Scrye Since: Jan, 2001
#19: Jan 7th 2011 at 5:24:26 AM

All I hope for is, they stall at least 9 months before they start some shit.

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#21: Jan 7th 2011 at 6:32:22 AM


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#22: Jan 7th 2011 at 6:33:02 AM


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saladofstones3 Since: Dec, 1969
#23: Jan 7th 2011 at 10:18:51 AM

I'm curious as to how much China has an influence over NK's decisions since China has seem more reluctant to support NK despite its value to them as a buffer and as thorn in the side of the West.

But I'd imagine that the talk will be lack all the past ones and devolve into nonsense quickly.

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
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#24: Jan 7th 2011 at 10:18:57 AM

So back to business as usual, then. Go figure.

@ Barkey: revenge is a shitty motivation for military intervention, or really any kind of geopolitical stance period.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
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