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Scrye Since: Jan, 2001
#76: Jan 4th 2011 at 4:35:19 PM

@ Post 72: Because it's fiction and it was written by someone who has never in their life been a child soldier.

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saladofstones :V from Happy Place Since: Jan, 2011
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#77: Jan 4th 2011 at 4:38:23 PM

I've read about child soldiers and you have to understand that its the only thing they know and they aren't educated or have a long life expectancy on top of it.

Of all places /k/ had an interesting diary from a Russian paratrooper serving in Chechnya. This isn't meant as serious research thing but its an interesting read

@Raw: your using the a character from an anime, one that is in part a comedy and a mecha, and Full Metal Panic was pretty much a standard "soldiers and mechs are cool"

edited 4th Jan '11 4:43:43 PM by saladofstones

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.
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#78: Jan 4th 2011 at 4:43:19 PM

[up][up] The writers seem to have a firm grasp on military hardware, chain-of-command, etc. Did you read those novels?

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saladofstones :V from Happy Place Since: Jan, 2011
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#79: Jan 4th 2011 at 4:46:45 PM

The problem is that even if it has an understanding of terms and ideas, I was watching the anime and saw a giant 5-story tall mech going through Tokyo after hiding in a commercial barge.

I don't think that is the proper source for real-world comparisons.

Evidently one of the Gundam series did an okay job of showing child soldiers but wasn't the whole thing with the guy wasn't that he was a child soldier but some type of soldier trained from birth in Black Ops?

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.
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#80: Jan 4th 2011 at 4:49:17 PM

[up][up]Knowing your military technology, though, does not guarantee a strong grasp of child psychology. Or any kind of psychology, really. Certainly, the novels seem to have some kind of weird sexual hangups to them that are thankfully played down slightly in the anime (for instance, I'm pretty sure we didn't need to know that X minor evil female scientist has a choking fetish).

edited 4th Jan '11 4:49:50 PM by Iaculus

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Scrye Since: Jan, 2001
#81: Jan 4th 2011 at 5:42:40 PM

The writers seem to have a firm grasp on military hardware, chain-of-command, etc.

No. They didn't. And how would you know if they did or not? It's like being asked if your translator is doing a good job: if you can't speak the language, how the fuck do you know if they're translating everything properly or just bullshitting you? Just because something sounds right, doesn't mean it is. And to someone who's completely inexperienced or unknowledgable to that field, the bar for "seems right" drops drastically.

You basically got Dan Browned by anime, and used it for an argument.

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#82: Jan 4th 2011 at 6:11:21 PM

[up]I'm gonna go with the guy who's actually in the military right now on this.

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saladofstones :V from Happy Place Since: Jan, 2011
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#83: Jan 4th 2011 at 6:13:28 PM

The thing is that I can call Vietnam a tactical military victory but as far as the war itself, we failed because of bizarre strategic decisions. Not attacking the entire Ho Chi Minh trail and entering North Vietnam counts as two of these issues, as with the various DMZ and no-fly zones.

edited 4th Jan '11 6:13:39 PM by saladofstones

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.
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#84: Jan 4th 2011 at 8:11:24 PM

[up][up] The writers seem to have a firm grasp on military hardware, chain-of-command, etc. Did you read those novels?

The ranks were horrible, for one.

There is no such thing as making Major when you aren't old enough to drink yet, and even with the high-speed promotion of the Army that gets joked about these days, you'll never see a Sergeant under 20.

MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#85: Jan 4th 2011 at 8:35:43 PM

^ Specialist possible, maybe Corporal but you're pushing it. That's as far as it gets for someone who's in at 20 who enlisted at 17.

RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona Since: Aug, 2009
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#86: Jan 5th 2011 at 2:22:26 AM

[up]But he enlisted at age five!

Okay, I get it, they didn't do the research on this one... or Artistic License.

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Scrye Since: Jan, 2001
#87: Jan 5th 2011 at 5:06:18 AM

^Put that soft-spoken, 15-year-old clumsy bitch in charge of a real military organization and see if she gets a lick of respect.

And thy have no sense of structure. A Sergeant Major in charge of two Sergeants as a team? What the hell were you thinking other than "these rank names sound cool"?

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#88: Jan 5th 2011 at 5:57:30 AM

Then again, it's supposed to be one of those N.G.O. Superpower organizations. But that doesn't excuse the inaccuracies.

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#89: Jan 5th 2011 at 6:27:06 AM

[up][up]She gets the job done, doesn't she? Authority Equals Asskicking in militaries? Is it necessary to have a deep voice and a Lantern Jaw of Justice and swear a lot to be respected and obeyed?

(By all means, let us continue: when one is Dan Browned and doesn't know it, one want to find out the exact extent of the dan browning, with a little help from these gentlemen).

edited 5th Jan '11 6:27:14 AM by RawPower

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#90: Jan 5th 2011 at 6:45:12 AM

She doesn't get the job done most of the time, that's people under her command. She'd make a good cheerleader, not a commander.

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#91: Jan 5th 2011 at 6:57:25 AM

... But... her tactics? Her magistral use of the submarine? Her getting them out of the most desperate situations? Are you telling me her second-in-command, who has proven to be a massive badass, respects her because of an Informed Ability?

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#92: Jan 5th 2011 at 7:20:10 AM

Wait, how did this turn into a "Child Soldiers As Depicted In Anime" discussion?

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#93: Jan 5th 2011 at 7:57:23 AM

Well, for one thing we never ever see them getting injured or killed there: Infant Immortality. Even in Spriggam, which is about a Tyke-Bomb. Exception: Neon Genesis Evangelion.

Now this makes me wonder: why is there a rarity if media showing the military's life from their own perspective, rather than from that of civilians? The only film I remember that really did that was Waltz With Bachir, which had a really fucking retarded Aesop (It's not your fault, you didn't kill those sandnigger children, women, and elderly, it was the Christian Phalangists, they did it all.

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#94: Jan 5th 2011 at 8:00:19 AM

why is there a rarity if media showing the military's life from their own perspective, rather than from that of civilians?

Because Most Hollywood Guys Would Not Pass BCT.

RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona Since: Aug, 2009
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#95: Jan 5th 2011 at 8:02:18 AM

Why aren't there more Hollywood guys who are also military guys?

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Scrye Since: Jan, 2001
#96: Jan 5th 2011 at 8:45:16 AM

Because military guys tend to be more blue collar than red carpet.

Authority does not equal asskicking in the military. Asskicking equals asskicking.

You're also not helping your case by assuming such things.

As much as its not completely realistic, read or watch Generation Kill. It gives you a pretty good insight on the military's views towards authority.

edited 5th Jan '11 8:47:34 AM by Scrye

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#97: Jan 5th 2011 at 8:59:33 AM

Wait, we're using Anime fictional works as serious discussion fodder? About the only media I would attempt to use as such would be documentaries - oh wait, not fiction, usually.

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#98: Jan 5th 2011 at 9:06:08 AM

How good was Green Zone?

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thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#99: Jan 5th 2011 at 9:06:15 AM

Movies are about entertainment, not perspective. Movies that attempt to capture reality normally tank. See: Jarhead

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Scrye Since: Jan, 2001
#100: Jan 5th 2011 at 9:09:44 AM

Jarhead got it right. Swofford was a total cunt, but the parts about having nothing to do but beat off were pretty accurate.

"True story, I came when I read Scrye's story, and so did everyone within five miles." —OOZE

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