I'm certainly not seeing any evidence of a resumption of mature discussion.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"While the crowner is hardly steady, it is showing pretty clear support in favor of keeping them on the main pages to some degree. To me, the disagreement in terms of votes seems to be over what, if any, restrictions should be put on the stingers. So perhaps we need to shift the discussion and start hammering out what the ideal rules would be for having Statler And Waldorf on a page.
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)I would suggest we grandfather the ones we already have, and then restrict any new ones to comedy tropes and works. After all this I don't think people will be all that keen to add more given how divisive they are. Any that pop up outside comedy tropes and works can be dealt with by deleting them unless they are making a clear point about the actual page they appear in.
Frankly, as much as I like them and want them to stay, the repeated harping on about them from other people has kinda made them not fun anymore.
edited 11th Jan '11 12:27:05 PM by CrypticMirror
if we grandfather the ones we already have, as the above poster suggested, we should restrict new ones to tropes and works that are actually rellevant to Statler And Waldorf.Frankly, I dont think it is a good Idea to have them on works that they have absolutely nothing to do with
edited 11th Jan '11 12:34:25 PM by dontcallmewave
He who fights bronies should see to itthat he himself does not become a brony. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, Pinkie Pie gazes AlsoAnd we definitely have a consensus against moving them to the Statler And Waldorf page, a solution which was clearly implemented prematurely. Can we put them back?
Well S&W are comedy characters, so comedy works and tropes would be the relevant pages. As I said, they were never that prevalent, and after this I doubt many people will be creating many more. So I see that a a fair compromise, it restricts them from a huge swathe of the wiki, but allows them in the areas for people open to having fun and enjoying jokes.
edited 11th Jan '11 12:43:55 PM by CrypticMirror
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That doesn't mean it wasn't done prematurely.
I've removed the notice to move them to the Statler and Waldorf index due to the current Crowner results. Not going to start moving em back just yet, but considering how far into the negatives it is, it would be something we should plan on doing.
edited 11th Jan '11 12:45:05 PM by TheInferno
"The fact that your food can be made into makeshift bombs alarms the Hell out of me, Scrye." - Charlatanyeah, lets keep everything as is until the crowner has run its course, my feeling is we shouldn't open the door to any accusations that the "pro" tropers are acting in any way prematurely.
Babyeater fast Eddie? Hey, my cousin has a really annoying kid, are you available for private hire on that? :o)
edited 11th Jan '11 12:48:50 PM by CrypticMirror
I also believe last time you suggested that everyone said that was way too much effort for something like this.
Unless I'm misremembering. In any case, my vote is that it's way too much effort for something like this. Besides, the general consensus is keep, so why should we try and see which we should remove?
EDIT: If option 2 or 3 wins though, then I could see doing that.
edited 11th Jan '11 1:09:49 PM by TheInferno
"The fact that your food can be made into makeshift bombs alarms the Hell out of me, Scrye." - CharlatanYep, we've been over that. It's impractical in every sense. One or two crowners should be all we need to settle this (and we're clearly on number one now).
Edit: Option 2 should be fairly clearcut and not need individual crowners. Option 3...ugh.
edited 11th Jan '11 1:11:23 PM by TotemicHero
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)they said it would be too dificult having a seperate crowner for each stinger, what I am suggesting is a single crowner listing all of the stingers, and people vote up on the ones that they want to keep, and down on the ones they dont.
He who fights bronies should see to itthat he himself does not become a brony. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, Pinkie Pie gazes AlsoSince all the stingers are listed on one page, it should be relatively easy to make a crowner. In fact I will try to make one now (if I can figure out how to create a new crowner)
Edit: I know that I created a crowner once before, I just cant remember how I did it
edited 11th Jan '11 1:24:15 PM by dontcallmewave
He who fights bronies should see to itthat he himself does not become a brony. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, Pinkie Pie gazes AlsoI'm working on that new crowner now thanks for helping me figure out how to do it.
EDIT: here is the crowner [1]
it may take some time for me to put all of the stingers there
edited 11th Jan '11 1:38:47 PM by dontcallmewave
He who fights bronies should see to itthat he himself does not become a brony. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, Pinkie Pie gazes Also...so now we have a crowner that is for absolutely nothing?
If that was sarcasm, the reason I didn't help you was because I see no point in trying to circumvent the current vote.
I also note that you have nothing that says what the options are. Is Up a "Keep" or a "Get Rid Of"? What's Down?
edited 11th Jan '11 1:47:44 PM by TheInferno
"The fact that your food can be made into makeshift bombs alarms the Hell out of me, Scrye." - CharlatanThe Inferno: Gort scares you? Not laughing, it's just rare to see something from a classic stand the test of time like that.
Fast Eddie: I recommend keeping Fast Eddie for baby-eating purposes * and maybe Just Eddie for troper conversation.
But soft! What rock through yonder window breaks? It is a brick! And Juliet is out cold.
Crown Description:
Not quite a page action so much as an item action. This is what to do with the 80 or so Statler And Waldorf stingers scattered across the wiki.

nice, very classy, if you cant go against my argument,make an assumption about and attack me. real mature.
edited 11th Jan '11 11:13:14 AM by dontcallmewave
He who fights bronies should see to itthat he himself does not become a brony. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, Pinkie Pie gazes Also