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Nizbel Since: Apr, 2012
ManwiththePlan Since: Dec, 2009
#202: Dec 27th 2011 at 2:11:26 PM

[up] Then you should also know that Surge, Sabrina, and Koga change their evil ways eventually.

Oh COME ON, guys. Just because Koga's the Poison-type gym leader doesn't mean he's evil!

Huh? You say Sabrina was always a psychopath but in the games, Koga's the one that always struck me as one (as opposed to Sabrina, who was...just kind of boring.) Do you not remember the way he talked about poison's effects on enemies and his "Fwuhahahahaha!" evil laughter?

And Surge isn't evil! Granted, he's a hardass, but that's because he was a soldier!

Surge explained why he's evil in this manga; he got tired of having a pretense of power and got lured to the dark side by Giovanni with promises of true strength. He gets over this by the G/S/C arc and acts like the heroic hardass soldier he was in the games.

I know, but why Koga and Lt. Surge? Why not evil Brock or Misty or Erika for a change?

Well, Brock and Misty kind of were jerks in this manga before they became officially established as "good guys" and Erika outright pretended to be evil before she was revealed as a good guy. I think the Kanto gym leader that acted the least evil here was Blaine, who had done evil for Team Rocket before he quit.

edited 28th Dec '11 12:48:06 PM by ManwiththePlan

ThatOtherGriffin Since: Aug, 2010
#203: Dec 27th 2011 at 3:53:35 PM

This may be kind of late by now, but am I the only one bothered by the fact how kind of brushed aside Bianca and Cheren were? Sure, it would be kind of reduntant to see their struggles and self-discovery again, but still a missed oppurtunity.

Ah well, maybe in the future chapters.

edited 27th Dec '11 3:54:52 PM by ThatOtherGriffin

TheViolentTomboy Since: Aug, 2009
#204: Dec 27th 2011 at 6:01:46 PM

[up] Black and White have pretty much taken over their roles. Black is the guy obsessed with winning the League for no particular reason while White is struggling with self-discovery. Bianca and Cheren do show up now and then; Bianca still got her Pokemon stolen in Castellia while Cheren helped Black at the Cold Storage.

http://family.shogakukan.co.jp/kids/netkun/pokemon/official/

In other news, new poll results. Favorite one moment in the manga, and Sapphire confessing her feelings topped the chart. Second place was Ruby declaring Mimi's beauty, third was the Nine Elemental Hyper Beams and the Triple Volt Tackle, and the fourth was the un-petrifying. Lot more after that, but I can't read Japanese.

edited 27th Dec '11 6:03:23 PM by TheViolentTomboy

I'll hit you with this thing
Nizbel Since: Apr, 2012
#205: Dec 27th 2011 at 8:34:41 PM

Heh, Blue is epic troll. She trolls just about everyone in the series, from Professor Oak to Red to Sabrina to Bill.

Holy crap this is complex. First Lance pulls a blitzkrieg on the entirety of Kanto, then Blaine and Yellow counter this with Operation Surprise Buttsecks, then Blue reveals that she chose Yellow because of her powers, then Lance reveals that this was all part of his plan, as he needed Yellow to awaken Ho-Oh.

edited 28th Dec '11 4:05:09 AM by Nizbel

ManwiththePlan Since: Dec, 2009
#206: Dec 28th 2011 at 7:00:15 AM

[up] She's my favorite main character for that very reason. cool

And Lance wanted to summon Lugia, didn't he?

Also, I STILL do not understand Japan's love for the Ruby/Sapphire arc.

edited 28th Dec '11 7:12:02 AM by ManwiththePlan

GreyStar Wild Horse from Chaos Since: Dec, 2010
Wild Horse
#207: Dec 28th 2011 at 7:26:09 AM

It was Lugia. tongue

I kinda liked that Arc too. XD

Always be ready to do the unusual and unexpected.
Nizbel Since: Apr, 2012
#208: Dec 28th 2011 at 8:42:29 AM

Wait...are Hoenn's and Sinnoh's E4 also psychopaths?

I'd like to see evil Flint or Bertha or Sidney.

edited 28th Dec '11 8:42:48 AM by Nizbel

Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
King of Anime
#209: Dec 28th 2011 at 10:16:44 AM

[up][up][up]

Because the third generation was the best one with the fifth as a close second.

ManwiththePlan Since: Dec, 2009
#210: Dec 28th 2011 at 10:25:04 AM

[up] That's the minority opinion, isn't it? I always hear Generation III getting the most flak from fans. Generations I, II, and V have been the best received. Now I liked the Generation III games but the manga arcs based around them were not my favorites. The Ruby and Sapphire arc actually was pretty decent until Groudon and Kyogre showed up but that's still not enough to warrant the popularity it gets in Japan. It's just a case of Americans Hate Tingle.

Wait...are Hoenn's and Sinnoh's E4 also psychopaths?

No, those E4 barely show up in the manga. I hope that changes with Unova's E4 though, and if there was ever a Pokemon League member I could see as an evil psycho, it's Grimsley.

edited 28th Dec '11 12:46:42 PM by ManwiththePlan

Nizbel Since: Apr, 2012
#211: Dec 28th 2011 at 10:33:48 AM

Heh heh...I heard about the Ferris Wheel thing.

N is epic troll.

Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
King of Anime
#212: Dec 28th 2011 at 11:32:52 AM

[up][up]Well yeah, which games are the best in a case of YMMV.

TroperRoxas ... from Scotland Since: May, 2010
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#213: Dec 28th 2011 at 12:49:13 PM

I found the Gen III games boring beyond belief, but the manga covering that part was just great. Didn't like the reveal of Ruby's last Pokemon, but I can see why the R/S seems so popular in Japan.

FR/LG or D/P gets my vote though.

ManwiththePlan Since: Dec, 2009
#214: Dec 28th 2011 at 12:52:08 PM

[up] How was it great, pray tell?

I personally thought the two main characters got more and more annoying as they went on, Archie and Maxie got turned into raving madmen for no reason toward the end, the battle between Groudon and Kyogre lasted far too long, Wally's intended role never came to pass, Courtney (one of the least important game characters period) got too much facetime, and WTF was up with Tabitha's ugly character design?

edited 28th Dec '11 12:52:52 PM by ManwiththePlan

TroperRoxas ... from Scotland Since: May, 2010
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#215: Dec 28th 2011 at 1:02:04 PM

Because I didn't find the characters annoying at all.

Given how it was almost impossible to find chapters at the time, my reading was incredibly disjointed and incredibly hard to remember, nut from what I do remember, Ruby and Sapphire were great characters, and the plot surprisingly engaging, given how... biased I felt about the arc. And Wally's intended role? You mean be the Emerald counterpart? I think he was screwed from the start, although I have to say I would have liked him far better than Emerald.

I also can't remember Tabitha at all, but I doubt her design is all that bad, compared to a whole bunch of Ascended Extra characters... or Emerald.

I don't even hate the guy and yet I constantly put him down. Meh, it's what he gets for beating superior trainer Sapphire off-screen.

burninganimefan357 Since: Oct, 2012
#216: Dec 28th 2011 at 1:15:12 PM

[up][up]Wasn't it made explicit that Archie and Maxie were being driven mad by the use of the Blue Jewel and Red Jewel in their efforts to control Kyogre and Groudon. That one Team Magma goon went frothing mad just from slightly using the Blue jewel

http://www.mangareader.net/458-28448-15/pokemon-adventures/chapter-250.html

edited 28th Dec '11 1:18:28 PM by burninganimefan357

Nizbel Since: Apr, 2012
#217: Dec 28th 2011 at 1:17:05 PM

the battle between Groudon and Kyogre lasted far too long

How many chapters?

Because the Lance fight lasted ten damn chapters.

TroperRoxas ... from Scotland Since: May, 2010
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#218: Dec 28th 2011 at 1:26:17 PM

And it was a great battle.

I don't remember how long K&G fought, but I'm quite sure it would've spanned several volumes. In-universe, it was a few weeks, I believe.

edited 28th Dec '11 1:26:55 PM by TroperRoxas

ManwiththePlan Since: Dec, 2009
#219: Dec 28th 2011 at 1:28:27 PM

[up][up] Over 30 chapters. 10 chapters is not long at all compared to that.

I also can't remember Tabitha at all, but I doubt her design is all that bad

Tabitha's a he, and he was that Magma goon driven insane in the scan that got posted. Go look up how he looked like in the games and anime; he wasn't a hunchback with long, dangling hair in those.

And with Archie and Maxie: I just wasn't pleased with how they were still crazy and evil even after the conflict with Groudon, Kyogre, and the orbs was done. I liked it that they owed up to their idiotic mistakes in the games, so making them unrepetant monsters in the end didn't sit well with me.

edited 28th Dec '11 1:39:46 PM by ManwiththePlan

Busgirl Since: Apr, 2011
#220: Dec 28th 2011 at 2:19:16 PM

[up] Well, in the games, their eco-terrorist plans were pretty stupid, so the only way to make them so driven and legitimately threatening was to make them batshit insane. Sane people don't try to flood or dry out the earth. The orbs just made them an itttttttty bit worse.

That's my take, anyways.

edited 28th Dec '11 2:20:34 PM by Busgirl

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#221: Dec 28th 2011 at 6:02:01 PM

At the moment, Gen III is one of the favorite generations, especially on forums like Bulbapedia. It's the cycle of nostalgia in the series, Gen III is now the nostalgic golden child now that Gen II (the previous golden child) was remade.

And 10 - 30 chapter battles don't sound bad to me, I like long battles as long as they aren't just dragged on.

edited 28th Dec '11 6:04:41 PM by Saiga

Nizbel Since: Apr, 2012
#222: Dec 29th 2011 at 1:50:31 AM

[up]That's 'cos you're a Dragon Ball fan, so you're used to fights taking up over 9000 pages or so.

Wait, why is Silver smarter than Gold here? In the games he was kind of an abusive thug.

edited 29th Dec '11 2:00:21 AM by Nizbel

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#223: Dec 29th 2011 at 2:48:31 AM

Actually, I hate the anime for making things drag on so long. The manga of Dragon Ball is much shorter... to put it in perspective: One Piece, Bleach and Naruto have broken 50 volumes now without finishing (One Piece is apparently around halfway, Bleach may only be one quarter of the way through) so yeah, liking those series is more likely the reason I don't mind super drawn out fights.

TroperRoxas ... from Scotland Since: May, 2010
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#224: Dec 29th 2011 at 4:34:02 AM

[up][up]Doesn't mean he can't be smarter, and it's not like the manga counterparts are perfect representations anyway.

Nizbel Since: Apr, 2012
#225: Dec 29th 2011 at 4:49:16 AM

Oh god why are they giving us gratuitous shots of Crystal's ass?


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