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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#18401: Jan 31st 2023 at 1:27:38 PM

For the record, the 3DS remake of Metroid II does actually do some Canon Welding with the Prime trilogy that's much more appreciable if you played the Prime games first.

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Angry_Clown (Troper Journeyman) Relationship Status: All is for my lord
#18402: Jan 31st 2023 at 3:12:26 PM

[up][up] Actually, I read a bit about the games' story and the general lore, so I think I know the basics, like who the Chozo are, Ridley and Mother Brain's relationship with Samus, and the big twist from Fusion, among other things.

Something I'm kind of curious about is...what's up with Kraid? Like, he appears in three of the main games, he has a name and was one of the main villains from the original Metroid, yet he doesn't appear to have any backstory or personality, like Ridley or Mother Brain (granted, from what I've seen those personalities are better shown on the manga, but I'm not sure if it shows anything from Kraid).

Who is he? Some generic goon they found on Zebes? A Non-Malicious Monster they forced to work for them? A random dragon who got lost in the caves and is taking his anger out on Samus?

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#18403: Jan 31st 2023 at 3:25:07 PM

We never find out what Kraid's deal is, no. Not even sure if he's a native of Zebes.

The only bit of lore that you should probably know going into Zero Mission that it doesn't outright tell you, is that Ridley killed Samus' parents. Everything else that's important is implied. The game does have those art galleries that show her backstory, but I forget what you have to do to unlock them.

Edited by WillKeaton on Jan 31st 2023 at 6:15:31 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#18404: Jan 31st 2023 at 4:59:41 PM

Kraid has a baby or a brother or a fanboy or something

Anyway, you blow up his mini Kraid so maybe that’s why he’s mad

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RacattackForce (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#18405: Jan 31st 2023 at 5:03:03 PM

Take Your Kid To Work Day doesn't apply to evil space pirate bases, but no one told Kraid that.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#18406: Jan 31st 2023 at 5:03:50 PM

He can’t read flyers! They’re so tiny and he doesn’t wear reading glasses!

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#18407: Jan 31st 2023 at 5:14:54 PM

That's because no one makes reading glasses for people with three eyes.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#18408: Jan 31st 2023 at 5:51:54 PM

I think it is stated somewhere that Kraid and Ridley are friends.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#18409: Jan 31st 2023 at 5:53:34 PM

The manga had Mom Brain refer to him as "Ridley's comrade", but that could really mean anything.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#18410: Jan 31st 2023 at 5:56:42 PM

Guess they were roommates.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#18411: Jan 31st 2023 at 6:00:28 PM

Oh my god they were roommates

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#18412: Jan 31st 2023 at 6:04:04 PM

What if they held hands? tongue

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#18413: Jan 31st 2023 at 6:05:09 PM

No, see, Kraid kept eating people, and Ridley was sent in to talk to Kraid and convince him to join their organization because he's the only one who could take on Kraid one-on-one and gain his respect.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#18414: Jan 31st 2023 at 6:08:39 PM

TBH @Angry_Clown, like a lot of games from the NES and SNES era, you can make up whatever you want about any bosses who don't really have much lore to them. It's more fun that way sometimes.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#18415: Jan 31st 2023 at 7:04:16 PM

[up][up] That doesn't stop them from holding hands, lets be honest

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#18416: Jan 31st 2023 at 7:27:16 PM

Comrade? Oh my god, are the space pirates communists?

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#18417: Jan 31st 2023 at 7:30:10 PM

Plot twist: Mother Brain is actually the preserved brain of Stalin.

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Angry_Clown (Troper Journeyman) Relationship Status: All is for my lord
#18418: Jan 31st 2023 at 7:33:28 PM

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=12931698580A16861700&page=737#comment-18403 Oh yeah, I knew the thing about Samus' parents; as I've said, I know the basics, which just makes it more cathartic when I kick Ridley's ass.

Also [up][up][up][up] Yeah, I'm not bummed about it, I was just wondering, considering Kraid's kind of a recurring character, you'd think there'd be a little more to him than just being...Kraid.

Also also, I don't know how this lead to people shipping Ridley and Kraid, but I now consider it my crowning achievement on this site evil grin

Edited by Angry_Clown on Jan 31st 2023 at 1:06:13 PM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#18419: Jan 31st 2023 at 7:41:01 PM

This thread can get weird sometimes.

Like the time we all wrote up a Metroid High School AU.

Good times. [lol]

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#18420: Jan 31st 2023 at 7:55:49 PM

As I recall, someone said they would record our Metroid High School AU ideas. You know. For posterity.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#18421: Jan 31st 2023 at 7:57:45 PM

I can't remember if Mother Brain was the evil High School Principal or the school girl rival.

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Dracoblade Since: May, 2009
#18422: Jan 31st 2023 at 8:18:13 PM

Poor, poor Kraid. Mother Brain and Ridley get all the attention, get retconned into these huge deals with personal connections to Samus, while Kraid is just... Kraid.

I swear, Ridley was just another boss in the first game, and in Super he's the one who grabs the Metriod simply because he was the only boss from the first game that could fly. But those appearances made him really popular, and how he's Samus' arch-nemesis.

Fun fact; Kraid was supposed to appear in the first Prime, but it didn't work out. You can still find concept art of him.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#18423: Jan 31st 2023 at 8:19:34 PM

We could have gotten Meta Kraid.

Ah well, Kraid got to be in Metroid Dread while Ridley and MB weren't. As a tortured slave for Raven Beak but hey.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
RacattackForce (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#18424: Jan 31st 2023 at 8:25:39 PM

[up](x4) I have all the pages bookmarked, I just need to dump it all into a document that I can turn into a Just for Fun page at some point. We actually have two different pitches I think, since we did some retooling after Dread came out to account for her evil Uncle Raven Beak.

[up](x3) Without checking, I believe that MB was the evil Alpha Bitch rival, but neither she or Samus knew that they were also enemies outside of campus, since they both operated under secret identities. So the drama.

...You know, for Nintendo's "darkest" franchise, we sure do get into all sorts of silly shenanigans in this thread.

Edited by RacattackForce on Jan 31st 2023 at 11:26:22 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#18425: Jan 31st 2023 at 8:31:19 PM

One of these days, I'll have to actually post my Metroid/Batman/Star Wars/Harry Potter fanfic I made as a kid just to out cringe the Highschool AU.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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