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Nov 6th 2018 at 11:35:13 PM

The problem with the Ridley freakout isn't the timeline

It's the lack of foreshadowing

Up until that moment you're probably thinking 'oh yeah Samus will blow him up as always'

and then Bam! She's having a PTSD-style shutdown, with no indication that was even a thing she had.

Oh, and then it never showed up again, so it basically only existed to kill of Anthony-except-not-really.

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Nov 6th 2018 at 11:55:17 PM

If I where to redo that scene...

As Ridley rears back and roars everything goes black. And then there's a full, Controllable Helplessness flashback to the colony massacre. You play as a little child Samus who runs down flaming corridors in a panicked state as the horrors of the situation scream over the radio. People screaming in pain and fear or begging the pirates to spare them. Colonists desperately calling out for family members. Explosions tear through the walls, the little girl barely scraping through as her clothes and skin grows darker with soot and blood.

Eventually she makes it to an exit as the shelter around her collapses and she stumbles onto the surface. And suddenly she's not just hearing the slaughter, she's seeing it. Zebesians laugh in alien gibberish as they cut down the people around them. Everything is on fire. The Pirate flagship blots out the sun. And in the center of it all is Ridley, who has his back to Samus but seems to be feasting on something. He slowly raises his head and turns around. He approaches Samus and looms over her. He raises one hand and brings his claw down in a swift and fatal strike... Only for the camera to pan and show Samus in her full armor holding his wrist. She mutters "You... Again?" and blasts him back as the scenery transitions back to the ship's. Then the boss fight starts.

You get a sense of her trauma without resorting to an emotional shutdown that's completely out of the blue.

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Nov 7th 2018 at 1:05:53 AM

Personally, I would have Ridley terrorize the other Federation officials, soldiers and civilians just to make it clear it's not Samus who is afraid of him. Nearly everyone is scared of him, and those who aren't are immediately killed.

It would also be beneficial to show more of Ridley's sadism because really, that's what makes him Ridley. I've seen fanfics trying to give Ridley some sense of honor or something similar. But none of them left as great impression for me than the manga when he's a Complete Monster driven by the desire to slaughter people. No sense of honor, no morality, no real ambition. Just kill as much as he likes.

And that quite frankly is unnerving for me. Even Ganon has some redeeming factors despite being pure evil. Ridley has none. He's the combination of the Sharptooh from Land Before Time and Freddy Kruger. And that's before you get to the fact he's a giant Space Dragon that can breathe plasma. For me, that kind of villain is something that you'll always be afraid of. Even if you defeated that fear again and again, it's still haunts you like the boogyman.

Heck it's no wonder it took so long for Sakurai to make Ridley a playable character in Smash Bros. His defining characteristic is being your worst nightmare. And thus it's tricky to shrink him down to proper size without losing that scary aura.

Speaking of Smash, that is why I enjoy Ridley's reveal trailer in Super Smash Bros Ultimate. You can tell that Samus is afraid. She remains calm and focused, but there is fear in her eyes. And Ridley presents himself well by showing that he's not some hard Metroid boss for the players to beat. He's a killer who can (and will) kill you if you are unprepared like poor old Mega Man and Mario found out the hard way. And he's quite a sadist when it comes taunting Samus.

Edited by Shadao on Nov 7th 2018 at 1:13:42 AM

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Nov 7th 2018 at 3:46:32 AM

Alien: Isolation but instead of a xenomorph it's Ridley personally wrecking havoc on a Federation station.

Nov 7th 2018 at 5:55:21 AM

Other M would make more sense if it was BEFORE Metroid, before Samus got her cred. As it is, it may just be forgotten.

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Nov 7th 2018 at 7:02:13 AM

If Other M was Samus' last mission with the GF before becoming a bounty hunter, I'd have a lot fewer problems with its story.

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Nov 7th 2018 at 7:41:14 AM

Here's how I would handle Ridley in Other M:

First, the tutorial section of the game is gutted out, and replaced with a small, young child wandering through the flaming ruins of a town, the basic tutorial functions being covered here. It'll end with this little girl meeting up with Ridley, who's got her mother in his hand, the woman screaming and kicking for her life.

Then it cuts to the little girl's face as a sickening crack rings out, and just as the girl calls out it transitions to Samus's face, revealing that they were the same individual (and then the tutorial stuff that wouldn't make sense for a Power Suit-less Samus to have happens here).

Then throughout the game, various in-universe references are made to Samus's previous adventures, with Samus giving various responses to those references, but every single time Ridley's mentioned, she gets uncomfortable with it.

Then lo and behold Awkward Teen Ridley attacks the crew in the same 'shoot Ridley's tail' segments as the original, with brief flashes to Samus's first encounter with him way back when (I mean like half a second each).

Then when the proper fight against Ridley happens, he's got Anthony in the same position that Samus's mother was so, so long ago, and Samus is frozen in fear... Except this time, she forces herself out of the trance, and fires out to free Anthony. And you get to fire the shot.

The fight with Ridley proper happens here, and Ridley doesn't escape this time (preferrably he tries to escape, but Samus lunges at him to ensure that she gets the killing blow on him).

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Nov 7th 2018 at 8:34:03 AM

oh yeah, what was the point of ridley escaping only to get worfed by the metroid queen offscreen aside denying victory to the player ?

Nov 7th 2018 at 9:23:19 AM

Denying Samus any kind of closure or victory.

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Nov 7th 2018 at 9:24:38 AM

Yeah but why tho

Nov 7th 2018 at 9:28:28 AM

Because they needed to give Samus some sort of goal before they introduced the Metroid Queen and the whole Bergman plot... despite the fact that those plots could have been introduced earlier...

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Nov 7th 2018 at 9:48:30 AM

which only explains why he survives the first fight, not why we don't kill him ourselves.

Oh wait who am i kidding other m is very good at completely dropping plotlineso nce they stop being motivating things for samus. what do you think about it, james pierce ?

Nov 7th 2018 at 10:54:45 AM

Honestly, I prefer talking about Ridleyís potential more than seeing another tired rant of Other M. Heck, if it keeps up, itíll be like Star Wars General Thread all over again.

Moving on, yeah I would like to see Alien Isolation with Ridley. Maybe youíre a scientist trying to send an SOS in Ceres Station...

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Nov 7th 2018 at 11:19:57 AM

Shouldn't a star wars situation require a substantial people liking and defending the game to work though ? There's no parralel to draw unless the discussion actually gets heated, and it's not looking like it.

As for ridley, sure he has a lot of potential, but none of it stems from anything in other m -and nintendo being nintendo, I don't expect to get Ridley doing actually ridley things on screen besides what he's been doing up to now. Which is shame, because i'd take bloodborne ridley any day.

Edited by Yumil on Nov 7th 2018 at 8:21:55 PM

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Nov 7th 2018 at 11:22:26 AM

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Nov 7th 2018 at 11:50:14 AM

[up][up][up] Star Wars General thread was shut down due to excessive negativity and cyclical arguments about TLJ. Right now, TLJ thread is trying to stay positive and not relapse back into negativity. I for one have nothing left to say about TLJ that doesnít go back to that circular debate. So I left till thereís something positive to talk about.

Which is what I want to have here on this thread.

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Nov 7th 2018 at 1:31:18 PM

At this point, anyone still bitching about TLJ, on any medium, is only beating a dead horse. What more can be added that hasn't already been said? The trenches have been dug, the No Man's Land established, and no one will budge in their opinions.

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Nov 7th 2018 at 1:42:42 PM

Indeed. And so are Other M rants. Thereís nothing left to say anymore. At least not without opening old wounds. It is as what others have said, beating a dead horse.

So letís talk about how Kraid could work in a 3D Metroid Prime gameplay instead.

Edited by Shadao on Nov 7th 2018 at 1:43:44 AM

Nov 7th 2018 at 1:47:10 PM

I mean, Kraid was almost in the first prime game, but I'm glad they cut him, because that model looks awful. I mean, what happened to his face?

Nov 7th 2018 at 1:49:33 PM

From what I understand, the helmet is supposed to protect Kraid from getting shot in the eye. And you are supposed to break it with a huge rock. Think Gohma from the Wind Waker.

Nov 21st 2018 at 7:41:36 PM

I do like the hoodie.

Nov 28th 2018 at 2:12:15 PM

This is going to be weird. See, there's this guy from Peru who draws comics. His masterwork is a story about a guy who dresses up as a donkey and punches people. For justice. One would assume. One day he set out to make a Metroid comic, but it's not really based on Metroid, so much as it is a fever dream where Samus shows up. Also Ridley's penis. The guy's site is now gone, but thanks to the Wayback Machine you can still read "Jumping to the Void" Part 1 & Part 2. There were plans to make parts 3 & 4, but they never materialized.

Edited by WillKeaton on Nov 28th 2018 at 3:14:14 AM

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Nov 28th 2018 at 8:03:51 PM

The description reminds me of Brazil's insane mega man comic that made Roll the central hero and, if I remember, X a psychopathic killer.

Edited by ShirowShirow on Nov 28th 2018 at 11:04:15 AM

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