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RocketScience Not dead yet. from a dark place Since: Jan, 2001
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#1: Dec 22nd 2010 at 9:01:45 PM

Ah yes, Heavy Rain.

It's kind of like Fahrenheit, only with more murder and plot holes, and less funky ESP telepathic necromancy shit. Also, it has wonderful character models.

Story? Well, you're this dude who's all happy and normal and stuff, until his son gets killed. And then his marriage falls apart, because that's what happens when you lose a child. It gets better though, because some time later his other son gets kidnapped, and the dude has to go around town and do evil stuff to rescue him.

Oh, but that's not all; you're also a whole bunch of other people who are after the kidnapper, who is some guy named the Jigsaw Origami Killer. Apparently he's a serial killer. Or something. He's into origami, at least. Well anyway, these people are after him, and they include:

  • a private detective who's looking for clues on the Origami dude, but has enough free time to:
    • talk armed robbers out of their ways;
    • talk suicidally-depressed single mothers out of killing themselves;
    • talk in general;
  • a journalist who's willing to do a striptease for you...and then pull a gun on you while faking an orgasm;
  • an FBI agent who is also a drug addict and maybe not very good at his job, but packs one hell of a punch.

That, my friends, is Heavy Rain. And never forget: PRESS X TO JASON.

edited 22nd Dec '10 9:02:10 PM by RocketScience

juancarlos11 Since: Aug, 2011
#2: Dec 22nd 2010 at 11:06:14 PM

I personally liked the game even with the Gaping Plot Holes. it just has so much aplomb. It's like a better done Deadly Premonition.

It's not exactly naive. And it can happen. But it's tough. And definetly worthwhile.
Nicknacks Ding-ding! Going down... from Land Down Under Since: Oct, 2010
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#3: Dec 22nd 2010 at 11:12:27 PM

I'm under the impression that the plot holes related to Ethan's mysterious awakenings are actually sadly cut content, involving, of all things, supernatural visions of tidal waves.

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JotunofBoredom Left Eye from Noatun Since: Dec, 2009
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#4: Dec 22nd 2010 at 11:22:06 PM

The holes involving Ethan's blackouts are better left unfilled.

The explanation is that Ethan formed a psychic link with the Origami Killer the day he was hit by that car. That makes sense, right?

edited 22nd Dec '10 11:22:39 PM by JotunofBoredom

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juancarlos11 Since: Aug, 2011
#5: Dec 24th 2010 at 11:04:41 PM

As much as Jason's death. Yes, that's not the spoiler...it's the premise

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LolipodDistortion HIP HOP HIPSTER from Austin, Texas Since: Aug, 2010
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#6: Dec 26th 2010 at 6:51:16 PM

This game was pretty awesome.

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#7: Dec 27th 2010 at 7:43:39 AM

Regarding Ethan's blackouts: I'm under the impression that they were the result of stress and poor mental condition following Jason's death. Nothing odd about that. There's a reason a suspect cannot be convicted on confession alone: mystery killer cases like the Origami Killer that run on long enough result in the police becoming downright flooded with people claiming to be the murderer, many of whom actually do believe they are.

Ethan is much the same; a false self-identification. He's blacking out and waking up in places connected to the murders because some part of him wants it to be true. In his broken psychological state, there's a part of his subconscious that desperately wants to believe that he is the murderer, because there's a part of him that wants to be the police to arrest and send him to prison, to punish him for allowing Jason to die.

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#8: Dec 27th 2010 at 8:38:59 AM

[up] yeah, but the Out of Universe reason is pretty much a Wallbanger. I mean a more obvious Red Herring I have not seen in my entire life. I kept saying that Ethan Mars couldn't be the killer and the fact that he was obviously a distraction made me wonder if the killer was a main character. I always said that it was Norman Jayden obviously that was wrong.

It's not exactly naive. And it can happen. But it's tough. And definetly worthwhile.
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#9: Dec 27th 2010 at 8:40:15 AM

Nah, if it was Jayden it would have had more STYLE!

<.< I love Jayden. He's the hero of the piece as far as I'm concerned.

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Nicknacks Ding-ding! Going down... from Land Down Under Since: Oct, 2010
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#10: Dec 27th 2010 at 8:43:13 AM

I usually made him die from drug/glasses overdose.

Also: do we still need spoilers?

edited 27th Dec '10 8:43:41 AM by Nicknacks

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JotunofBoredom Left Eye from Noatun Since: Dec, 2009
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#11: Dec 27th 2010 at 10:20:13 AM

[up][up][up][up] You guys are looking too hard into the blackouts.

The explanation starts at 1:10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxpdGB6Gbac

Spoilers obviously.

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LolipodDistortion HIP HOP HIPSTER from Austin, Texas Since: Aug, 2010
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#12: Dec 27th 2010 at 11:40:56 AM

You know what I'm confused about? people who btich about Madison getting naked, like it's exclusive to her. If I remember correctly, Ethan gets nude at least as much as she does, or has the opprotunity to.

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JotunofBoredom Left Eye from Noatun Since: Dec, 2009
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#13: Dec 27th 2010 at 11:43:19 AM

Probably related to the fact that(thanks to yet more cut content) Madison has almost no impact on the story. It makes her seems like a lame attempt at sex appeal.

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juancarlos11 Since: Aug, 2011
#14: Dec 27th 2010 at 2:12:50 PM

@ Tobias: yeah, I really liked the guy. That's why I thoought they were going for the easy punch...and they sort of did.

as for Madison, It's pretty much the fact that her whole purpose seemed to be romantic interest that discovers a little bit of info and saves Ethan

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#15: Dec 27th 2010 at 2:52:55 PM

In retrospect, the identity of the killer struck me as very thematically appropriate.

Jayden spends most of his chapters following leads, doing the police thing. Ethan spends his struggling through the sadistic trials. What does Scott do? BE AWESOME is what. He starts out punching out a beefy asshole and either taking down or talking down a gunpoint robbery and just climbs from there, ending in a massive shootout with something in the area of 17 guys. Scott spends all his chapters establishing how tough he is, how he can kick any ass, win any fight, just generally, all around be completely and utterly unbeatable no matter what he's dealing with.

Then they turn around and go, "Alright. Now it's your turn to fight him."

edited 27th Dec '10 2:53:14 PM by TobiasDrake

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#16: Dec 27th 2010 at 3:08:46 PM

[up] I'm not saying that it was wrong...it was the best possible choice. Genre Savvy players (the story is after all a Film Noir) would never suspect him. They normally suspect that the police is involved or are just going to be incompetent while the PI is discovering the case.

It's not exactly naive. And it can happen. But it's tough. And definetly worthwhile.
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#17: Dec 27th 2010 at 6:09:28 PM

How many people here thought it was Blake? Be honest. *raises hand*

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#19: Dec 27th 2010 at 11:24:48 PM

I jumped at Shelby, but only because both this game and Farenheit share a lot of similar tropes and a similar structure. He was the only character who didn't seem to have an equivalent. But then the game disuaded me, and I didn't know who it could be.

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#20: Dec 28th 2010 at 8:17:41 AM

- raises hand a Drake's statement- for a little while...I honestly believed that no one could be so stupid to play an investigation like that and that he was hiding something

It's not exactly naive. And it can happen. But it's tough. And definetly worthwhile.
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#21: Dec 28th 2010 at 8:26:05 AM

The thing I liked about Blake is that he's a Cowboy Cop. He's the wild, reckless cop who inevitably lands in front of his boss being told "Turn in your badge!" but later goes on to solve the case anyway because he's just awesome like that.

Except instead of being awesome and heroic, he's just an obnoxious asshole. Cowboy Cop as seen not filtered through Protagonist Goggles.

edited 28th Dec '10 8:26:43 AM by TobiasDrake

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#22: Dec 28th 2010 at 11:55:28 AM

[up] yeah, that was my problem with him...He tried to be this great cop, like Gene Hunt but he ended up being McNulty a reckless failure that causes to much trouble for the team instead of helping. He lived by intuition instead of logic. he was pretty much a deconstruction of The Mulder to Jayden's Scully

It's not exactly naive. And it can happen. But it's tough. And definetly worthwhile.
JotunofBoredom Left Eye from Noatun Since: Dec, 2009
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#23: Dec 28th 2010 at 4:56:29 PM

Speaking of him, how did he manage to become a lieutenant?

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#24: Dec 28th 2010 at 6:43:07 PM

It's a mystery. Maybe he became like that over time?

It's not exactly naive. And it can happen. But it's tough. And definetly worthwhile.
Nicknacks Ding-ding! Going down... from Land Down Under Since: Oct, 2010
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#25: Dec 28th 2010 at 9:43:12 PM

Is there a trope for unstable people who miraculously get into positions of power? If not, there really should be.

General Incompetence?

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