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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#151: Dec 27th 2010 at 4:18:55 PM

I don't know if splits or fixer uppers are handled mostly on discussion pages, I always bring it up on TRS.

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TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
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#152: Dec 27th 2010 at 4:22:10 PM

With me, it depends on the degree of the work. A simple rewrite of one or two sentences isn't enough to write home about, but a full-on redefinition should be in TRS. So should splits.

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SomeGuy Some Guy from totally uncool town Since: Jan, 2001
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#153: Dec 27th 2010 at 7:41:44 PM

It's a bit of a murky area. I've completely redone the descriptions for several pages based off of discussion page complaints that pretty much amounted to "I'm really not sure what this is supposed to describe." There's never been any complaints, probably because no one likes vague descriptions. This, of course, is my own experience as a primarily non-forum based troper. The impression probably differ depending on which part of the wiki an individual frequents.

I do bring topics up in Trope Repair Shop on occasion for larger page actions, but Trope Repair Shop in its current form is such a waste of time that I seldom pay much attention after the original post unless I want to verify I have the "consensus" to enact a fix.

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suedenim Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl from Jet Dream HQ Since: Oct, 2009
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#154: Dec 27th 2010 at 10:43:29 PM

In my experience, discussion pages seem to be mostly ignored. So while in theory they're a good venue for minor repair work, I think in practice you really need to use TRS for actual discussion and to get anything done.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#155: Dec 27th 2010 at 11:06:16 PM

My experience is the same. Unless I got a PM every time somebody responded to one of my discussion edits.

That said, discussion is a nice place to dump X Just X and other stuff if it doesn't look good on the main page.

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#156: Dec 28th 2010 at 6:17:55 AM

I've mentioned this before: one solution to visibility of TRS actions would be to flag tagged articles on watchlists, not just in the page header. If you live mostly in your watchlist, as I do, and mostly read article histories, as I do, you'll never see the flag.

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TripleElation Diagonalizing The Matrix from Haifa, Isarel Since: Jan, 2001
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#157: Dec 28th 2010 at 8:38:05 AM

[up] That's a good idea.

If we're going to go the route Eddie suggested earlier and give some incentive to TRS threads to actually reach some sort of conclusion, we had better come up with some method of conflict resolution that'll prevent the current system from becoming the same but with even more stall.

There's the practice of having a "case for" and "case against" summary in the crowner options. Maybe we should do more to encourage this sort of thing- this way instead of pages upon pages of "X!" "No, Y!" "No, X!" "No, Y!" we'll have a place where every good point is stated just once and the focus will be more on making a good case and less on trumping the person above you.

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#158: Dec 28th 2010 at 9:50:35 AM

If we can stop having emergencies long enough, I'd like to install that notification via watchlist item.

Seems to me that implementation of process here is better at the beginning, rather than in the crowner, which is near the end of the process.

Adding functionality to the create-conversation page is something we can do. For example, when the article title is entered, the system can run a 'related to...' in the background and present the total wicks and inbound counts at the top of the thread. We can't automate usage checks, but we can do at least that much.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#159: Dec 28th 2010 at 3:19:45 PM

Would it also be possible to check how many of them are entries vs potholes?

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#160: Dec 28th 2010 at 3:49:05 PM

Gah. Pretty compute-intensive, that one. A full scan of the text of all the articles is muy, muy system-hogging. I'm leaning toward 'no'.

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Meeble likes the cheeses. from the ruins of Granseal Since: Aug, 2009
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#161: Dec 28th 2010 at 4:03:27 PM

I think that at least putting the Inbound count and Wick count on the front of the thread is a great idea, as it will help us remember that we need to keep those things in mind.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#163: Dec 28th 2010 at 4:29:14 PM

[up][up][up] Hmmm, I would have thought it would be a far simpler matter, like just checking the text of a link to see if it's encased in double brackets [[ and ]]. Of course, I know very very little of magic computer code, so I am very very likely to be very very wrong.

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#164: Dec 28th 2010 at 4:33:41 PM

You'd have to parse the entire content of the wiki to figure it out, though. The only way it could work is if page save creates an index of wicks that can be polled. I actually thought it did that already...

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#165: Dec 28th 2010 at 4:40:10 PM

It does. It doesn't, however, save the context surrounding the link, which we'd need to tell if it was embedded in a pothole.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#166: Dec 28th 2010 at 4:43:18 PM

The question occurred because I was changing all the wiks for And Now You Know The Rest Of The Story, and a significant portion of them looked like this:

rather than a trope entry. Similar to the way So Yeah was used.

edited 28th Dec '10 4:43:29 PM by Deboss

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TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
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#167: Dec 28th 2010 at 4:44:01 PM

Ok, so I think I get it. So with [[TropeName Text Here]], the only part that gets saved is the "TropeName" bit. Meaning that my idea would only work if you rewrote exactly what got saved.

edited 28th Dec '10 4:44:36 PM by TotemicHero

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#168: Dec 28th 2010 at 5:05:20 PM

Right, and then resaved all 120 thousand articles.

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