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FirockFinion THE SLORG! from The Red Desert Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#11976: Mar 18th 2013 at 5:27:56 PM

Don't know if it'll make a difference, but I'm gonna be gone from early Wednesday to late next Monday.

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#11978: Mar 24th 2013 at 4:32:15 AM

GM finals all done, Spring Break is here, ia ia fthagn, and all that. The post train will be accelerating again.

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#11979: Mar 26th 2013 at 8:16:18 AM

Question for everyone—are there factories in the magical world?

Sabre says Guess of GM is that there aren't, but modern schools (say, like Hogwarts seems) are kind a product of the industrial revolution(separate facilities for separate specialties, system of bells, children sent out by date of manufacture, 'quality evaluations'...) so I think that there are probably factories of some kind or another (broom factories, mass potion brewers, book printing and binding, bigger-on-the-inside bag makers...) that said, I haven't found much info pro/con magical factories.

So... Thoughts..?

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#11980: Mar 27th 2013 at 2:39:03 PM

Magical factories? Can't you just automate them magically?

Also, I think all the wizards have been scared off by the shotgun medic. Nothing's scarier than a shotgun medic.

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#11981: Mar 27th 2013 at 2:41:22 PM

Some of us just aren't trying to be scary.

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#11983: Mar 27th 2013 at 3:59:17 PM

Exactly.

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#11984: Mar 27th 2013 at 4:08:21 PM

We're all about hearts and minds at OCCULUS.

FirockFinion THE SLORG! from The Red Desert Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#11985: Mar 27th 2013 at 4:27:51 PM

@Faramir: I wouldn't really call Hogwarts a "modern school"; other than the big tests scoring system and the class scheduling being pretty similar to what muggles have going on in the modern age, it's really not that much like a modern school. Maybe a modern boarding school, but those aren't products of mass production like public schools are.

And on that note, it's certainly not the product of mass production. If it was, there would be a whole bunch of other schools a lot like it, but from what I remember implied by the Triwizard Tournament in the Goblet of Fire, there's something like 7-12 wizarding schools total in the world at the time of the book's story, with 3 of them in Europe. And they were all pretty different compared to each other too; like the whole house separation of Gyrffandor, Hufflepuff, Ravenclaw, and Slytherin is supposed to be unique to Hogwarts alone.

The things you mention being evidence of Hogwarts being a product of mass production are really more coincidental. They have seperate facilities for different specialties because they have the available room, so why not? Children sent out by date of manufacture and quality evaluations are just the result of a logical take on an education system; they're just methods that make sense. The books may establish that the wizards are completely out of touch with the modern muggle world, but that doesn't mean they're complete idiots.

Then there's the logistics of what factories are used for in business and how it seems to be handled in the wizard world based on the books. Consider Fred and George Weasley and their joke/novelty item business: From what I gathered in the books, it's implied that they make all of their items themselves, without a factory. Based on it I pictured something like them just needing a workshop and a few days time to produce hundreds if not thousands of their products. The end result is that factories aren't really needed in the wizard world; the same end result can be produced by a small group or even just one guy with the right materials and enough free space.

Arguably one could say that these might as well be labeled as 'factories', but other than a few specific examples I wouldn't say they really qualify under the typical association; they aren't mega corporations with thousands and thousands of employees, they're just a few dudes with a spare space, a need for income and a particular penchant for making something that can be monetized. When any wizarding family or group of friends can all do that, you just can't end up with the same kind of mass-scale, tons-of-people-are-needed industrialism that happened with muggle factories and the industrial revolution.

... And really that's what it would all boil down to. I don't think the wizards would have factories in the same sense we do, because they never had an industrial revolution.

Anyway, that all aside, um... I'll see if I can get rid of enough of this writer's block to post for Alex tonight, but no promises.

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#11986: Mar 27th 2013 at 8:06:24 PM

There's one magical school in most countries, and like 7 in the US itself.

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#11987: Mar 27th 2013 at 8:08:46 PM

Aye; as I mentioned in a chat, I think the economics of magical Britain rotates around what would now be known as cottage workshops. Large-scale factories are later on. I suspect, maybe magic's just volatile enough to be unsuited for industry-line production?

As for the whole magical school business and the magical definition of "country," we settled that a while ago. A right headache that was, too.

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#11988: Mar 27th 2013 at 8:17:38 PM

So they're like miniature-factories? Since I can't imagine all the merchandise and potions in Wizards' Wheezes was done by the twins alone.

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#11989: Mar 27th 2013 at 8:21:30 PM

They've employees, no doubt (we see one of their cashiers/shop assistants at one point), but I get the feeling that they still do a lot of the magic on their own. Basically, the magical economy is centered around the mom-and-pop store instead of big corporations. The downside is relative lack of efficiency.

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#11990: Mar 27th 2013 at 8:26:32 PM

Okay. So mini-factories that don't deserve the name, then?

Still think the concept of an education system with schools (as opposed to, say, apprentices and tutors one-on-one) is a relatively modern idea. Sabre and I did the math, most wizards would live to see their great-great-great-grandchildren with ease. Means there's always a lot of adults, most of them likely willing and able, to take on an apprentice. Especially since so many wizards are only children.

edited 27th Mar '13 11:16:17 PM by Faramir

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#11991: Mar 28th 2013 at 5:25:18 AM

Time to rally the troops, there's work to be done.

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#11992: Mar 29th 2013 at 12:48:23 PM

Hi. Sorry for dropping out quietly months ago. That was rude of me, and I cannot remember my motivation for doing so.
Now, armed with more maturity and better military, I'd care to return.
But probably not as O'Connell, because why the hell would a neutral country send someone to be a part of an international team?

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#11993: Mar 29th 2013 at 1:06:42 PM

Welcome back! Take a gander at the new sign-up sheet, we'll get you settled in. You're just in time for some weirdness to hit.

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#11994: Mar 29th 2013 at 1:12:43 PM

Still need a Squad Automatic Weapon user? The M27 IAR looks nice. tongue

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#11995: Mar 29th 2013 at 4:07:38 PM

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#11996: Mar 29th 2013 at 4:09:59 PM

The M27 is useless as an LMG. Has all the drawbacks of the Browning Automatic Rifle without the power of the .30-06 round to balance it.

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#11997: Mar 29th 2013 at 4:19:22 PM

I'm confused about how a coutry would be neutral in the Wizards Vs Muggles war. Since every country has a magical populace.

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#11998: Mar 29th 2013 at 6:26:03 PM

Yes, but Ireland has a tradition of international neutrality. Except membership of the EU. And supplying weather information to the allies. And allowing America use of Shannon airport to transport troops and cargo between America and Iraq/Afghanistan.

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#11999: Mar 29th 2013 at 6:39:24 PM

Neutrality within itself? This is a time where almost every country has some flavour of a civil war going on, isn't it?

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#12000: Mar 29th 2013 at 6:46:12 PM

...
Actually, you're right, that could be very, very messy. Especially in Ireland, where because of Wizards having extended lifespans, some of them may remember the last civil war. Or the revoloutionary war. Which involved a lot of grassroots guerilla fighting. Which is always bad.


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