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TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#2426: Mar 30th 2017 at 6:45:23 PM

[up][up][up] You might find a couple of helpful things online, there are a couple of good coaches who put videos on youtube for example, see here and here for example, but you probably want to get someone to help with your form and to do it more consistently.

[up] Hands hurting could be a lot of things, whether it be the type of boxing glove you're using, (gloves from certain companies have a reputation for doing more to cushion the hands, although some boxers believe, whether rightly or wrongly, that they also decrease the force of impact on your opponent) how you're wrapping your hands if you're using hand wraps underneath your gloves, it could be about your hand and wrist not being properly aligned when you throw or where your hand is impacting. (I know you want to be striking on the middle knuckle and maybe the knuckle of the pointer finger.)

But yeah, getting someone who knows what they're doing to see your form and what it is you're doing is always the best thing.

And speaking of boxing, here's another fight breakdown, this time of a bout between a young Floyd Mayweather and the Drunken Master Emmanuel Augustus, who is a sadly overlooked fighter.

Edit: for reference, here's a video of Augustus at his goofy, clowny, showy best.

edited 31st Mar '17 12:22:44 PM by TheWanderer

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#2427: Apr 2nd 2017 at 7:28:05 AM

A look at Jukendo, the art of Japanese bayonet fighting.

Yes, it's a bit cheesy, but it tells you the basics.

edited 2nd Apr '17 7:28:17 AM by TerminusEst

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#2428: Apr 3rd 2017 at 1:44:11 PM

Bayonet fighting hasn't changed a whole lot over the years.

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PRC4Eva Since: Jan, 2001
#2429: Apr 3rd 2017 at 2:48:11 PM

Those boxing analyses remind me of just how full of shit various traditional schools are in their dismissal of the "sport" martial arts.

Sure, the mere "sport" that looks like literal real-life Fist of the North Star is the one that's just clumsy swinging that relies on muscles over fine technique.

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#2430: Apr 3rd 2017 at 7:14:53 PM

PRC: The problem with various "Sport" verities of martial arts is they are aimed at scoring points in a limited and specific manner. They frequently forbid or limit a number of techniques or locational blows you would use in a real fight to end it quickly or definitively. Last I checked most sports martial arts frown on actually deliberately snapping your opponents bones or throat punching them. While this is not true of all of them there are more than a few where this quite overtly true.

edited 3rd Apr '17 7:15:23 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#2431: Apr 3rd 2017 at 10:06:52 PM

They are products of different times, places and training philosophies. Also people are terrible.

Comparing modern Judo to classical Jujutsu, is something of a futile exercise even if they were quite similar in the beginning.

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PRC4Eva Since: Jan, 2001
#2432: Apr 4th 2017 at 7:10:17 AM

I do not find that most of the arts that claim that in a real fight you can do a lot of things prohibited by rules actually go on to train the things that are prohibited by rules in a manner more alive than compliant partner drills that only go through the motions. Which would be fine, if various proponents of the same arts wouldn't then go back and pretend this makes them better than the sport ones.

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#2433: Apr 4th 2017 at 9:27:53 AM

It's just empty yelling.

Interestingly, this was an issue for Jigoro Kano, the founder of Judo. Older Jujutsu techniques focus heavily on breaking joints and training for armed attack in specific conditions (armour, swords etc.). Many of the throws or locks are almost impossible to train full force without you landing on your face or breaking something, so he took the simplest, safest, yet most practical techniques, along with his training philosophy. You can train longer, harder and safer, and also allowing for more flexibility in techniques (such as ground fighting), which gives an advantage over other schools who often had nothing to answer it (with a few exceptions).

Of course, if you can without hesitation crush guys throat, break their joints or any other assortment of lovelies, you must have had a very interesting life.

edited 4th Apr '17 9:37:28 AM by TerminusEst

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#2434: Apr 4th 2017 at 1:17:20 PM

Why do you think there is interest in full contact protective gear?

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#2435: Apr 4th 2017 at 11:38:24 PM

An element of modernity is that matches that result in serious harm are disdained. A lot of lobbying went into lifting the ban on martial arts in Japan during the US occupation, and even after many had to demonstrate the viability of things such as Karate or Judo as a sport. It's about sanitizing them. Taekwondo was hit pretty hard by this, in terms of gear. Old gear was the usual armour, while the new one is based on sensors for accurate point calculation. It lead to this:

edited 4th Apr '17 11:38:54 PM by TerminusEst

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#2436: Apr 5th 2017 at 2:21:16 AM

And this is why I love boxing so much. (Almost) No bullshit whatsoever.

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#2437: May 9th 2017 at 10:06:38 AM

A look at one of the oldest surviving kenjutsu schools in Japan, Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto-ryu.

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#2439: May 12th 2017 at 2:06:44 AM

Well, what did people think would happen? Chinese martial arts have suffered from the flowery stuff since the Ming dynasty (or longer depending on how you look at it).

edited 12th May '17 2:09:21 AM by TerminusEst

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PRC4Eva Since: Jan, 2001
#2440: May 12th 2017 at 2:27:37 PM

Being that our tai chi master actually thought he could pull it off, as well as the not insignificant amount of denial among various traditionalists, probably more than a couple actually thought our tai chi master was going to at least put up a good showing.

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#2441: May 12th 2017 at 4:20:56 PM

PRC: So what about it was exciting for you out of curiosity? I am guessing it is the debunking of the myth behind the art.

That was certainly a quick and nasty fight. I honestly expected something at least a little longer like the Tai Chi guy to land at least one good hit or do something interesting. I kind of feel bad for the guy but then again reality can be harsh. I am somewhat reminded of the kind of unpleasant surprise "no touch" martial arts tend to get.

edited 12th May '17 4:29:21 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#2442: May 12th 2017 at 9:07:29 PM

I don't even understand how you can even have a "no touch" martial art. Isn't the point of martial art touching enemy with great force?

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#2443: May 13th 2017 at 2:33:31 AM

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I don't know about taijiquan, but aiki techniques rely on learning the opposite: do not give a response to the person grabbing/hitting. Not literally "no touch" (which doesn't even make sense).

To use a simple example if someone grabs you, rather than tensing up any muscle just turn the way his/her force is going. It messes with the head, like your support suddenly disappearing right from underneath you. However, in context these techniques are meant to be a surprise and rely on a large amount of training to even get the sense of what you're doing. Often followed by a nasty stomp or stab. It's better to think of it as a method that enhances already existing capabilities.

In terms of TMA having practical use, one of the few examples of this are guys who actively make it work like Hisham:

edited 13th May '17 2:38:08 AM by TerminusEst

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TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#2444: Jun 10th 2017 at 6:38:02 AM

So, I haven't checked in on the guy doing boxing breakdowns on imgur in a while, partially because imgur's notification system is messed up. So I check in today and he's done the grandaddy of them all, arguably the best fight of all time due to the high level of the fighters involved, both fighting at their peaks, both among the top 10 fighters to ever put on the gloves. "Sugar" Ray Leonard vs Roberto Duran I.

He's also offering now to review footage of people sparring in order to help with the form, which might be helpful to a couple of people from this thread. Details are below all the gifs from the fight.

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#2445: Jun 10th 2017 at 8:09:02 AM

Something I stumbled upon on YouTube: A channel analysing video game martial arts moves by a Jutsu Canada instructor. Videos are for individual moves.

Example for the Okuri Ashi Harai.

As to my own martial arts experience, I haven't done much beyond some entry level wushu in elementary school. No sparring of any sorts, due to the amount of paperwork that would involve.

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#2446: Jun 10th 2017 at 10:28:04 AM

On Haitian machete martial arts:

They also have a website.

edited 10th Jun '17 11:12:08 AM by rmctagg09

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#2447: Jun 12th 2017 at 6:21:36 AM

Interview with Akuzawa Minoru, founder of the Aunkai Bujutsu, basically a hybrid method born of different martial arts principles he learned during his life.

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#2448: Jun 12th 2017 at 3:24:51 PM

Cross Post:

What do most masters mean when they say, "treat this sword as an extension of your arm/body"?

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#2449: Jun 13th 2017 at 2:59:31 AM

You'll probably get a few answers, but..

Generally, it means that treating the sword as separate from your body often makes you neglect the movement and positioning of your entire frame. Everything has to move together, all the time. $

Depending on what form of swordsmanship you do, the details can vary.

edited 13th Jun '17 3:06:23 AM by TerminusEst

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#2450: Jun 15th 2017 at 9:02:07 AM

Interview of Kuroda Tetsuzan, inheriting tradition

Kuroda Tetsuzan is one of the greatest current martial art masters. When he was 20 years old, he became the youngest practitioner ever to receive the title of Hanshi Hachidan (8th dan) of Kobudo from the Dai Nippon Butokutai. Outstanding practitioner, he is also an exceptional theorist who exposed the principles regulating the use of the body in traditional martial ways.

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