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JackMackerel from SOME OBSCURE MEDIA Since: Jul, 2010
#51: Dec 7th 2010 at 4:45:05 PM

Greaaat. One side's going to cry about how this is a disgrace and how THE MAN is keeping us down, the other is celebrating and throwing a party over the evil little anti-patriot.

/troll

In all seriousness, the media's done a good job of lessening the impact, since most of the files are "what the US thinks of this guy/shit that's common sense".

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Kinkajou I'm Only Sleeping from you're not your Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#52: Dec 7th 2010 at 6:19:26 PM

The media ensures that nobody really loses, probably because they also have something to lose.

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Drakyndra Her with the hat from Somewhere Since: Jan, 2001
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#53: Dec 7th 2010 at 11:07:56 PM

The thing that gets me is that with all the talk about Assange being a traitor or being tried for treason or whatever - he isn't even American.

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Kinkajou I'm Only Sleeping from you're not your Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#54: Dec 8th 2010 at 12:31:14 AM

Well, in the eyes of some people, everyone is American, or at least beholden to the Glorious United States of God's Country.

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Swish Long Live the King Since: Jan, 2001
Long Live the King
#55: Dec 8th 2010 at 12:47:58 AM

Also, Assange turned himself in. That's something that should be brought to people's attention. This wasn't some huge bust to get him, this was him trying to head off any accusations.

I call shenanigans. Assange was in Britain evading a warrant from Sweden out for his arrest. It wasn't until Interpol relayed the arrest warrant to Britain that Assange decided that he should turn himself in. But the warrant Sweden issued had been issued 2 weeks ago. Britain wanted additional information with the warrant before arresting and providing Assange for extradition.

If he was going to turn himself in, he'd have flown to Sweden a week ago (or earlier) instead of waiting for Scotland Yard to get the warrant to arrest him.

edited 8th Dec '10 12:48:44 AM by Swish

TheStupidExclamationMark Orbs from In ur cupboard Since: Dec, 2009
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#56: Dec 8th 2010 at 1:01:16 AM

He stayed in Sweden while the search warrant was first out and offered to talk to the police. This offer was strangely ignored by the Swedish police.

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Swish Long Live the King Since: Jan, 2001
Long Live the King
#57: Dec 8th 2010 at 1:37:17 AM

He says he stayed in Sweden, and offered to talk to the police.

Whether or not that's true... let's just say I'd believe statements made by OJ first.

Michael So that's what this does Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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#58: Dec 8th 2010 at 2:49:57 AM

How many times did the swiss issue and retract an arrest warrant before he left the country?

Swish Long Live the King Since: Jan, 2001
Long Live the King
#59: Dec 8th 2010 at 2:57:22 AM

Zero. The warrant only came after he left the country, then was retracted twice... At least, that's how I saw the sequence. Perhaps I should check again.

Michael So that's what this does Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
So that's what this does
#60: Dec 8th 2010 at 3:47:26 AM

So he had left in August? The first warrant was issued on August 21 and existed for about a day.

Swish Long Live the King Since: Jan, 2001
Long Live the King
#61: Dec 8th 2010 at 4:15:29 AM

Yes, he was in Sweden the week prior to the warrant, left Sweden, then the warrant was issued after Swedish authorities failed in attempts to contact Assange. He wasn't in Sweden when the warrant was issued, and hasn't been back since.

He only started saying he "made himself available to Swedish authorities but they declined to speak with him" three months after the fact...

Michael So that's what this does Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
So that's what this does
#62: Dec 8th 2010 at 4:23:10 AM

Well I don't know about you but I wouldn't spend hundreds of pounds and several days to travel to a country just because somebody had made frivolous accusations about me.

He went to Sweden for a few days, left, someone made accusations against him, the authorities issued a warrant and then announced publicly that there was nothing to worry about, the charges were baseless and withdrew the warrant.

If the authorities weren't interested in discussing it, what sane person would go back there?

Swish Long Live the King Since: Jan, 2001
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#63: Dec 8th 2010 at 4:47:25 AM

Meh. I personally liked Assange saying that because he wasn't personally presented with the charges (as required by European Union law), he has no intention of heading back to Sweden (as is his right).

But he isn't going telling Sweden (or anyone for that matter) where he is (so they could present him with the charges, if they were serious) because he needs to "stay safe"...

But he's also made himself available to Sweden if they want to talk.

As I said above, I'll believe OJ before Assange...

Michael So that's what this does Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
So that's what this does
#64: Dec 8th 2010 at 4:52:52 AM

The only people who obstructed Sweden making the charges was the British establishment. There are ways you do this and you do it properly. Once they did it properly and we were ready to present the charges to him, he turned up on our doorstep.

Given that it goes without saying he has received death threats (what internet veteran hasn't?) not publishing his location to the unwashed masses at a time that they might be serious is a sensible course of action. Whether the authorities knew where to find him ... well, that's his word against the word of people who wouldn't know, since the authorities aren't gossiping about a case pending trial.

Erock Proud Canadian from Toronto Since: Jul, 2009
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#65: Dec 8th 2010 at 7:00:30 PM

This is incredibly entertaining. When this is all over, I want to be the lucky bastard who gets to write the Oscar winning screenplay 15 years from now.

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CTrombley The Good Troper Since: Jan, 2001
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#66: Dec 8th 2010 at 7:14:07 PM

Note on earlier posts: BQP contains integer factorization. A 256 bit number can be factored on a quantum computer with something on the order of 16,777,216 steps. If each step takes a millisecond, that's only 5 hours of computation time.

Quantum Computing is not n times faster than regular computing. It is not a speed up. It is a different tool that solves different problems differently and with different complexities.

edited 8th Dec '10 7:15:25 PM by CTrombley

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#67: Dec 8th 2010 at 7:36:29 PM

Owned by the Trombley.

So basically your saying they could decrypt it in a reasonable amount of time?

edited 8th Dec '10 7:37:03 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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TibetanFox Feels Good, Man from Death Continent Since: Oct, 2010
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#68: Dec 8th 2010 at 11:23:56 PM

Of all people, Naomi Wolf captured my thoughts on this perfectly.

The Beauty Myth might have been a great tome of nonsense, but it appears Wolf isn't a complete loss.

edited 8th Dec '10 11:24:30 PM by TibetanFox

CTrombley The Good Troper Since: Jan, 2001
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#69: Dec 9th 2010 at 8:17:26 AM

If the crackers have a large quantum computer, and there is not reason to think that they do, then yes.

If the design of their cryptographic system is good (and there's no reason to think it is not) then the most efficient known method is the general number field sieve. I'll look up the details of the sieve and post on it's efficiency when I have time.

Mathematics Is A Language.
breadloaf Since: Oct, 2010
#70: Dec 9th 2010 at 8:18:55 AM

Note on earlier posts: BQP contains integer factorization. A 256 bit number can be factored on a quantum computer with something on the order of 16, 777, 216 steps. If each step takes a millisecond, that's only 5 hours of computation time.

Yeah but he stated 256 AES encryption. It's not RSA or discrete logs. I'm not sure if AES can be done via that method, i think it was only the square root for AES.

CTrombley The Good Troper Since: Jan, 2001
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#71: Dec 9th 2010 at 8:25:09 AM

A well chosen 256 bit number in the general field sieve algorithm would take ~3.4 years to factor.

Didn't know that. :)

I'll check and see if there's anything BQP can do with substitution-permutation networks, but you know.

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breadloaf Since: Oct, 2010
#72: Dec 9th 2010 at 8:27:20 AM

Making it a pretty damn good algorithm :P

edited 9th Dec '10 8:27:29 AM by breadloaf

TheStupidExclamationMark Orbs from In ur cupboard Since: Dec, 2009
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#73: Dec 9th 2010 at 12:08:44 PM

Naomi Wolf does get it, although she could have said a bit more explicitly that those 'rape' charges are an insult to any real victim of sexual abuse, especially those whose rapist is still on the run in another country.

"That said, as I've mentioned before, apart from the helmet, he's not exactly bad looking, if a bit...blood-drenched." - juancarlos
breadloaf Since: Oct, 2010
#74: Dec 9th 2010 at 12:22:45 PM

I'm more concerned that the Western hunt for Assange used Interpol or am I mistaken about what was used? I'd like to know if it was an Interpol warrant or a European warrant. The reason I am concerned is that Interpol specifically states it does not handle sexual assault charges in order to stay politically neutral.

BattleMaiden Since: Nov, 2010
#75: Dec 9th 2010 at 1:14:43 PM

Interpol issued the warrant.

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