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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#24901: Sep 26th 2013 at 1:06:54 AM

Wooohooo!!!!!!!!!!

Also, Peach, is apparently stealing Wario's Down-B.

edited 26th Sep '13 1:10:05 AM by Anomalocaris20

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#24902: Sep 26th 2013 at 1:09:43 AM

Aaaaaaand... He's still a clone. Whoop-di-doo.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#24903: Sep 26th 2013 at 1:10:59 AM

How do you know that? All we see of his attacks are his bow, an Up-B that looks slightly different, and his F-Tilt.

Regardless, I'm happy. I prefer TL to regular Link, use him as a lesser-main, was worried he wasn't going to make the cut because of the Spirit Tracks stage, and Wind Waker is possibly my favorite game of all time.

edited 26th Sep '13 1:12:34 AM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#24904: Sep 26th 2013 at 1:12:34 AM

Bow and Bombs and Spin Attack and basic logic about how Sakurai usually does things. I'm depressed because this means we have a superfluous double-character and regular Link will probably suck again for the sake of making Toon Link more distinct from him.

edited 26th Sep '13 1:13:45 AM by Pulse

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#24905: Sep 26th 2013 at 1:13:16 AM

Oh, yeah, the bombs.

Still, maybe his side-B is something else. I still want the Deku Leaf, fits with the wind theme.

That being said, I would take a still-clone-ish TL over none.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#24906: Sep 26th 2013 at 1:14:42 AM

And I maintain that including two versions of what amounts to the same character is boring and guarantees one of them will never be used seriously anyway.

edited 26th Sep '13 1:15:19 AM by Pulse

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Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#24907: Sep 26th 2013 at 1:16:26 AM

Awesome. Another semi-main of mine made it in, I guess to coincide with Wind Waker HD.

Even if he has the same moves as Adult Link or the same moves from Brawl, it's still possible his properties have changed in this installment.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#24908: Sep 26th 2013 at 1:16:33 AM

I wish I could make the pic of the bomb explosion my avatar. It looks hilarious.

[up]His properties were already way different from regular Link's in Brawl. It was their moves that were the same for the most part. So far we only see four attacks in his pics, but three of them are Specials which are usually the most defining part of a clone.

edited 26th Sep '13 1:17:31 AM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#24909: Sep 26th 2013 at 1:18:17 AM

[up][up]Odds are still good he'll be "Link but better in every way" again, though. I don't care if he's said he's going to work on it this time, Sakurai's track record for balance is absolutely atrocious.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#24910: Sep 26th 2013 at 1:20:23 AM

I think you're jumping the gun here. For all we know vanilla Link is no longer useless compared to Toon Link.

All we have are a few static screenshots and an old, likely-out-of-date trailer that only had brief glimpses of Link in it anyway.

edited 26th Sep '13 1:21:15 AM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#24911: Sep 26th 2013 at 1:21:08 AM

[up][up][up]All I can think of when seeing that explosion pic is "Dayum, Peach! And I thought Wario was bad enough...''.

[up][up]I admit that another variation of a different character is disappointing, but hey, I happen to like this one.

edited 26th Sep '13 1:22:15 AM by Customer

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#24912: Sep 26th 2013 at 1:21:37 AM

My first thought was "Oh, hey, Peach stole Wario's Down-B"

Also, I gotta say, wow TL looks really good in this. Fitting since his game just got a massive HD revamp.

edited 26th Sep '13 1:23:17 AM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#24913: Sep 26th 2013 at 1:22:09 AM

Finally! A veteran I never expected to make it in!

"What's out there? What's waiting for me?"
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#24914: Sep 26th 2013 at 1:22:57 AM

[up]x4 Unless his strength has been massively buffed or Toon Link's massively nerfed, I doubt it- Speed is a major deciding factor in which has been better in both Melee and Brawl.

edited 26th Sep '13 1:23:28 AM by Pulse

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#24915: Sep 26th 2013 at 1:24:20 AM

I told you stage elements meant nothing. Conductor Link was not a sign of a thing.

Moving on, Sakurai outright stated that Child Link having the same moves as Link was a "rule".

In addition, he also said movesets were subject to change before the final release.

Meaning Toon Link being a clone again isn't confirmed. But I won't lie; Probably will be the case anyway. Glad to see that clones can still show up, though.

Shadow?
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#24916: Sep 26th 2013 at 1:24:26 AM

And for all we know, he's working to make speed less of a be-all-end-all stat.

Bowser is revamped, and according to Sakurai's comments DK is currently rather overpowered at the time of writing, so I don't think the slow guys are going to be as useless this time around.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#24917: Sep 26th 2013 at 1:24:39 AM

@Pulse: I thought the kid Links were better because their recoveries sucked less? At least, that's how it was when I played. Truthfully, I prefer regular Link in Melee.

edited 26th Sep '13 1:25:40 AM by doctrainAUM

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#24918: Sep 26th 2013 at 1:25:47 AM

[up][up]Bowser was made faster and DK has always been at least middle-of-the-road in terms of speed. I doubt that's what's happening.

[up]Better recovery and they're functionally stronger by virtue of being able to zone better and land more attacks in a shorter timeframe. Speed is very important in Smash.

edited 26th Sep '13 1:26:52 AM by Pulse

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#24919: Sep 26th 2013 at 1:26:36 AM

Truth be told, TL was pretty much superior to vanilla Link in every way except weight and damage output.

Link is usually grappling with Ganondorf, fittingly, for the bottom tier spot.

You know, I'm glad I stayed up. Lately I've been just checking in the morning rather than waiting until 4 AM, since the pics are usually nothing of value, but I decided to see what we'd get tonight.

edited 26th Sep '13 1:30:06 AM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#24920: Sep 26th 2013 at 1:30:05 AM

The only experience I've had with Young Link was the Event where you used him to defeat regular Link. Since it was difficult to land more than a few hits, I didn't use him afterwards. I really should, though.

"What's out there? What's waiting for me?"
Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#24921: Sep 26th 2013 at 1:39:47 AM

Yeah, I doubt speed's emphasis will be diminished at all in this installment, but I kind of hope this doesn't mean everyone's suddenly going to become speedy jackals. I just hope the balance to compensate slower characters will work in their favor.

I'm just going to get this out of the way before I decide to head to bed or something and the topic shifts five times before I get back. My personal prospective list of characters from Zelda (besides Link and now, Toon Link) that I was expecting to see in the fourth installment were:

  • Zelda/Sheik (unknown if Zelda would use her Skyward Sword appearance or not, but I'd be greatly amused if that were the case)

  • Ganondorf (hopefully non-cloned) or that white effeminate villain dude from Skyward, whose name I can't recall on account of not having gotten anywhere in that game. I feel like it's "Ghiharam" or something.

  • Toon Zelda/Tetra/Phantom to coincide with Wind Waker HD.

...Maybe I should do that bingo card thing I heard about (though I guess it's too late since the reveals have already started).

[up]I found Young Link lots of fun, if a little more gimmicky than he needed to be.

edited 26th Sep '13 1:41:01 AM by Customer

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#24922: Sep 26th 2013 at 1:42:45 AM

Zelda/Sheik (unknown if Zelda would use her Skyward Sword appearance or not, but I'd be greatly amused if that were the case)
Considering Link's hybrid-leaning-Twilight-Princess design, how integral Sheik is to Zelda's style and flavor in Smash, and how different Zelda was in SS from her other incarnations in terms of appearance, I'm leaning towards a design for Zelda that's similar to her simplified TP design in Brawl.

edited 26th Sep '13 1:50:27 AM by Pulse

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#24923: Sep 26th 2013 at 1:48:28 AM

[up] Same.

I find it funny both Links were confirmed before Ganondorf or Zelda. tongue

Shadow?
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#24924: Sep 26th 2013 at 1:49:54 AM

I kinda hope they incorporate some small elements from Demise's design into Ganondorf. Just wink-and-nudge stuff, of course.

edited 26th Sep '13 1:50:04 AM by Pulse

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#24925: Sep 26th 2013 at 1:53:04 AM

Just give him a sword.

I hope he gets a costume similar to him, though. It would use Demise's sword design for it, of course.

Shadow?

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