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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#24776: Sep 20th 2013 at 7:31:13 PM

[up]The pic of the other character(s) being shown doesn't count(It doesn't switch for the char. you use either). Even so, if they were gonna bother to do that, it should've counted then.

edited 20th Sep '13 7:35:35 PM by randomness4

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#24777: Sep 21st 2013 at 8:29:47 PM

Here's one other question: how am I supposed to get ZSS? Do i have to do the trick that allows you to default to her when you choose the character, does that work for Classic Mode? Or am i just supposed to pray that a Smash Ball appears at some point, and if so, which difficulty is best to attempt that, higher or lower?

Edit: ah, nvm, the character-select trick does still work in Classic.

edited 21st Sep '13 8:32:17 PM by Ogodei

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#24778: Sep 21st 2013 at 8:30:57 PM

Just hold down the shield button on the choose your character screen.

Frankly, I don't get why they didn't just let us choose conveniently like we can with Zelda and Sheik or Pokemon Trainer.

edited 21st Sep '13 8:32:16 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#24779: Sep 21st 2013 at 8:36:12 PM

Because the Trainer and Zelda don't require an item to transform mid-battle.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#24780: Sep 21st 2013 at 8:37:05 PM

But if they're going to allow us to switch between Samus and ZSS before battle at all, why not just make it a more accessible feature instead of somewhat hidden?

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#24781: Sep 21st 2013 at 8:45:31 PM

Because it was an entirely new feature. Using a Final Smash to take upon a 100% new and permanent form.

Zelda/Sheik's transformation was a new feature in Melee. You couldn't choose between them purely on the Select Screen either. You could in Brawl first. PT is the same exact feature as Zelda/Sheik, so that didn't need to be some "hidden" way to do it.

So it makes sense the new feature is harder to use. Same essential way it was during Melee. I agree it would've been nice, but if you want to show off the new feature, you gotta make players work for it. Which Sakurai did a pretty good job of, I might note.

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0dd1 Just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2009
Just awesome like that
#24782: Sep 21st 2013 at 8:50:41 PM

I just figured it was just an Easter Egg.

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#24783: Sep 21st 2013 at 8:54:05 PM

I'm with 0dd. Starting as ZSS is basically a cheat code. It's not intended, but there's a way to do it if you really want to.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#24784: Sep 21st 2013 at 9:02:28 PM

I suppose it's an easter egg.

I'd rather they promote it for For (Preferably not shedding armor at the beginning of the match like in Brawl). I don't recall Sheik being selectable in Melee from the selection screen but they changed that for Brawl.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#24785: Sep 21st 2013 at 9:38:39 PM

Sheik was not selectable directly till Brawl. Again, was a new feature, so making you work for it is logical.

Pokemon Trainer made the other ones matter by having the characters experience lag after a while. Basically, every unique idea or idea in general is promoted in some way. Trophy collecting in Melee had multiple ways. Finishing many general Single Player tasks, more Bonuses for the Diskun Trophy, a full Lottery System, the Grab the Trophies stage... etc. Stickers were also made extremely easy to get in Brawl, moreso than Trophies by a huge margin. Because it's new? Probably. Similar to a lot of new characters often being better than old ones. New stuff just tends to get more attention in some way.

But that's just how it looks to me.

Shadow?
Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
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#24786: Sep 22nd 2013 at 10:29:56 AM

Kind of feel like I like ZSS better than Samus, if only because I totally and completely suck with using regular Samus (there's no flow to her moves at all, and her lack of a punishing Up-Smash diminishes her severely in my eyes. No real fan of her other smashes, and her specials are all too clumsy except Screw Attack)

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#24787: Sep 22nd 2013 at 10:37:14 AM

Samus is one of the many veterans that got the nerf bat hard in Brawl, so it's not anything out of the ordinary. Even the official site felt the need to point out her lack of a proper vertical launching attack.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#24788: Sep 22nd 2013 at 11:28:06 AM

Yeah, I'm way better with ZSS than Samus.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#24789: Sep 22nd 2013 at 11:28:33 AM

Her missiles also took a grand hit. I used to be able to really threaten people with the Super Missile.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#24790: Sep 22nd 2013 at 11:34:01 AM

Samus: Effective way to attack = Down-Attack, Dash-attack, Charge, Side-Smash, Side-B(Tap), Charge shot and Back-air.

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NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
Meh-meh!?
#24791: Sep 22nd 2013 at 11:38:04 AM

Down Tilt was nerfed too, but not beyond use.smile

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#24792: Sep 22nd 2013 at 12:23:34 PM

So here's a random question: is anyone else kind of hoping we get a Custom Robo stage? Though a lot of the stages would probably look kind of weird sideways, I'd love to see something like the factory/conveyor belt stage from the Gamecube as a stage in Smash. And to hear a rearrangement of this tune, maybe in a medley with a bunch of other tunes in the series.

I'd love to see Rahu as a boss - here's hoping there's still a Boss Rush mode.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#24793: Sep 22nd 2013 at 12:27:40 PM

Custom Robo is kinda in the same spot as F-Zero- Not officially retired, but very inert.

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EviIPaladin Some Guy Or Something from Middle-Of-Nowhere, NS Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: Noddin' my head like yeah
Some Guy Or Something
#24794: Sep 22nd 2013 at 12:33:37 PM

I don't want Custom Robo representation because it would ruin G Red's chance of ever getting into Smash.

...Not that that ship hasn't already sailed...

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#24795: Sep 22nd 2013 at 12:38:29 PM

I don't know about a stage but I'd at least want Ray 01 to be a playable character. They already had another Ray as an assist trophy.

[up]Who?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#24796: Sep 22nd 2013 at 12:44:56 PM

I'm hoping for that too, but with Sakurai saying that they're cutting back on new characters I'm trying not get my hopes up. I figure a stage is (hopefully) more likely...

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#24797: Sep 22nd 2013 at 12:53:05 PM

[up][up] A character from Capcom's Gotcha Force, a somewhat obscure and underrated game about kids using aliens that look like action figures to help save the world.

I loved it, but Capcom already has a rep in the form of Mega Man.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#24798: Sep 22nd 2013 at 2:08:22 PM

The funny thing is that Samus is actually very good for the boss fights, given that moves like her otherwise reprehensible up-smash and f-air, the screw attack, homing missiles and such are all excellent for racking up damage quickly to stationary targets.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#24799: Sep 22nd 2013 at 2:10:37 PM

She can't beat DK or Charizard in that regard, though.

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#24800: Sep 22nd 2013 at 5:27:16 PM

Fun stroke of luck in my favor today. The reason i've been trying "beat classic with all characters" is not so much to get the challenge unlocked specifically, as to be able to see which challenge is next to it. My goal has been to eliminate all blue squares on the board, and it so happened that "Ballyhoo and Bigtop", a "get 75 songs" challenge was the blue square next to Paper Mario and the "clear classic with all characters" challenge, which i managed to get in my retread run as Charizard. One before that, i got the "clear classic with 20 characters", so now all that's left is to clear classic on Intense.


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