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SCDifference (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#84551: Dec 9th 2015 at 12:17:53 PM

I only just found out that Lil' Mac has the best walljump

And Greninja has the worst walljump

I can't get over this.

edited 9th Dec '15 12:18:09 PM by SCDifference

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#84552: Dec 9th 2015 at 12:25:18 PM

For some reason, Duck Hunt has a pretty decent Wall Jump, too.

If nothing else, it makes winning Climb! in Smash Run pretty easy.

I sure said that!
MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#84553: Dec 9th 2015 at 12:40:45 PM

@Faw's point:

With the fact that Lucas came along side Roy and Ryu, I think Sakurai's had that sort of "easy upgrade" mentality since then.

Sure, the character models would need to be refined for higher definitions, re-balancing would be done, and probably tweaks for moveset clones are likely, but it likely they learned their lessons from the 64-to-Melee and Melee-to-Brawl days, at least.

SCDifference (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#84554: Dec 9th 2015 at 12:50:32 PM

I still hold on to the dream that they're going to release a smash character-creation software package so we can make our own fighters forevermore.

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#84555: Dec 9th 2015 at 12:54:19 PM

I think you'd be better off with the dream that one day Mii Fighters will have clothing options that aren't complete nonsense no one ever asked for.

With the fact that Lucas came along side Roy and Ryu
As much as I appreciate the support, I don't know if I'm being an idiot, but I'm not seeing the connection here.

edited 9th Dec '15 12:56:16 PM by Fawriel

MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#84556: Dec 9th 2015 at 1:02:19 PM

If they had to re-program Lucas entirely from scratch, do you think we'd have also gotten a "Semi-clone" and a character with completely original animations at the same time?

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#84557: Dec 9th 2015 at 1:10:59 PM

Oh, I guess. I was just a little confused because, I don't know if they took any shortcuts with Lucas, but it was my understanding that they pretty much rebuilt everything from scratch for Smash 4 (and for Melee of course, not sure about Brawl), and I took that as part of my point because I figured that they really put in the effort to do things right so they would never have to perform a complete do-over again.

(That's including issues like file formats and such, too - I think some do-overs might have been forced by compatibility issues before. I think.)

BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
Hey there! Having fun?
#84558: Dec 9th 2015 at 4:17:00 PM

I don't really know enough about the NX to speculate (though I do have an idea), but as for characters being cut, I'm not sure about that. It seems to me like they built Smash 4 to last.

[...]

So I think there will be another Smash Bros for a later console, but they won't have to build everything from scratch again and instead work on refining what they already have.

I sincerely hope that's the case.

I mean, Smash is absolutely nothing without its roster. Not taking some kind of precautions to ease things for future titles would be very dangerous for the series; game development is zero-sum, so adding newcomers does mean veterans have less time to be worked on.

edited 9th Dec '15 4:18:02 PM by BaffleBlend

"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#84559: Dec 9th 2015 at 4:20:01 PM

So when is the direct, or announcement, or whatever?

BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
Hey there! Having fun?
#84560: Dec 9th 2015 at 4:23:23 PM

[up]The 15th. 2pm Pacific / 5pm Eastern / 10pm UK and 11pm CET.

Fittingly for me, the day after my birthday, which is when I'm expecting a New 3DS specifically for making Smash 3D less of an ordeal.

edited 9th Dec '15 4:24:53 PM by BaffleBlend

"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#84561: Dec 9th 2015 at 4:31:44 PM

The reason Greninja's walljump is bad is because of his fallspeed IIRC.

It doesn't matter though, he can wall cling and has a huge jump height.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#84562: Dec 9th 2015 at 4:39:47 PM

Speculation time: What will be discussed in the direct?

I think Cloud, his stage, and Ballot Fighters and any stages that would need to be made if a new franchise is repped (ie: Shantae), and maybe any returning stage (like Sector Z, Fourside, or Yoshi's Story)

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#84563: Dec 9th 2015 at 4:41:36 PM

Cloud and Midgar are given, especially since we didn't get any price info.

Everything else is pretty much baseless speculation.

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#84564: Dec 9th 2015 at 4:45:16 PM

40 minutes of close analysis of Pichu's ears. That's it.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#84566: Dec 9th 2015 at 5:07:14 PM

[up][up]Luigi and his nose will be chilling in the background the whole time.

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#84567: Dec 9th 2015 at 5:22:36 PM

Not to mention Little Mac's left bicep.

The legend has returned.
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#84568: Dec 9th 2015 at 5:34:58 PM

>still slightly upset R.O.B. lacks a stage when every other series with a fighter has one and several others besides

I sure said that!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#84569: Dec 9th 2015 at 5:37:24 PM

What would R.O.B.'s stage even be?

edited 9th Dec '15 5:37:51 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#84570: Dec 9th 2015 at 5:38:03 PM

Miiverse?

Wait that's for Miis...

Future DLC stage ROBverse.

edited 9th Dec '15 5:38:33 PM by Keybreak

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#84571: Dec 9th 2015 at 5:39:07 PM

Would that not be another Mii Fighter stage?

R.O.B.'s stage should just be playing on a R.O.B. peripheral.

edited 9th Dec '15 5:40:04 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#84572: Dec 9th 2015 at 5:42:49 PM

My thinking is that it'd be the lab from Gyromite, complete with red and blue pillars that shift between two positions, styled like the Subspace Bomb Factory areas in Subspace Emissary.

Don't forget, R.O.B. wasn't a general-use peripheral, instead being meant for two particular games and nothing else.

edited 9th Dec '15 5:44:13 PM by Pulse

I sure said that!
WaterMasterGali92 Hello again! from Remnant Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Hello again!
#84573: Dec 9th 2015 at 5:48:16 PM

FINALLY! I'm so hyped for this shit!

I can't wait to buy Cloud! I hope I have enough money for everything, though.

I have like, 11 bucks in my account. How much do you think they're gonna release?

You can't get it wrong if it's the truth!
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#84574: Dec 9th 2015 at 5:51:46 PM

12 dollars worth of content that you're going to want all of.

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
TheHeroHartmut Too hot to hoot from Probably not right behind you (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Singularity
Too hot to hoot
#84575: Dec 9th 2015 at 5:54:43 PM

I would imagine that Cloud would be bundled with the Midgar stage, for the same price that Ryu and Suzaku Castle went for. DLC pricing has been mostly consistent thus far, so I don't see why they'd change it up here.

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