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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#84201: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:19:22 AM

Or lack of Go—- -is shot-

Fangames like Smash Flash, Smash Land, and Crusade are made from the ground up, while PM is a hack. That's why SSF 2 can be at APEX while PM can't.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#84202: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:26:33 AM

I don't think they're lying. Not until there's proof beyond a gut feeling.

And that info on which characters were near completion is sad, but it still loses to Del Toro's snippets about what Silent Hills was going to be.

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#84203: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:33:31 AM

You're doing pitchforks wrong, Enlong. Haven't you ever heard of Guilty Until Proven Innocent And Even Then I Still Think They're Kinda Shady So I'll Keep On Spreading Baseless Rumors?

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#84204: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:35:36 AM

I thought it was "Guilty of the crime you're charged with until proven guilty of wasting the judge's time"?

BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#84205: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:37:42 AM

Anyway, I hope we hear something about it in next month's Smash Direct, though unlikely.

Now that it's gone, Sakurai and Nintendo are not legally obligated to keep silent about it or else risk losing their trademarks anymore. I want to hear their side of things.

edited 2nd Dec '15 7:39:06 AM by BaffleBlend

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#84206: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:43:52 AM

I don't think that Sakurai really cares, though.

I'm not sure if it was a C&D letter like Fighting is Magic or if the devs thought it was complete enough.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#84207: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:47:20 AM

[up][up] Why? What in God's name do they gain from actively talking about it?

If anything, they lose because they officially put themselves in the spotlight for PM's shutdown.

Assuming anyone at Nintendo even gives that much of a shit.

edited 2nd Dec '15 7:47:41 AM by Watchtower

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#84208: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:48:08 AM

[up][up]I still suspect that Sakurai himself's actually played it by some subtle things present in 4. But eh.

edited 2nd Dec '15 7:48:53 AM by BaffleBlend

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#84209: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:55:06 AM

I doubt anyone at Nintendo really cares about most of the fangames. Only PM ends up getting you banned from Miiverse.

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JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#84210: Dec 2nd 2015 at 7:56:42 AM

It's worth noting here that if there is a C&D involved (which honestly I don't think there's much reason to believe at the moment; it really feels more like a "holy shit we need to cover our asses" thing), it would be handled almost entirely by Nintendo's legal department. It's not like Sakurai really gets much of a say on whether or not a fan project gets shut down; for all we know Sakurai himself thinks Project M is awesome, but if legal decides that it could cause issues, they're the one who make that call. Basically, I can't imagine that the developers care a whole lot about fangames beyond how they influence people's experiences of the main games, but the lawyers who work for the company have probably had their eyes on it for a while.

It's like the infamous Fighting Is Magic shutdown; the people who actually made the show were, by all accounts, cool with it, but Hasbro's legal department deemed it a copyright issue and brought down the hammer.

edited 2nd Dec '15 7:57:38 AM by JapaneseTeeth

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#84211: Dec 2nd 2015 at 8:02:03 AM

nvm, you guys covered it on a page I skipped.

WTF is Project Wavedash?

edited 2nd Dec '15 8:10:09 AM by wanderlustwarrior

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#84212: Dec 2nd 2015 at 8:10:13 AM

Sad to see, but 3.6 was a solid end to the Project.

Development might go underground by fans, just as it did for Fighting Is Magic, but that's doubtful due to the nature of PM's dwindling popularity.

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strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#84213: Dec 2nd 2015 at 8:15:45 AM

Honestly, I feel like all the people blaming Nintendo are just looking to blame them for it, despite there being no evidence just people's suspicions. Especially when they consistently say that it wasn't a C&D. At least put some faith in the PM team that they're not just lying.

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#84214: Dec 2nd 2015 at 8:16:33 AM

plus the fact that they have no reason to lie. If they got C&D'd they have every right to talk about it, and there isn't any reason why they wouldn't.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#84215: Dec 2nd 2015 at 8:36:13 AM

Everything I'm seeing implies that some members of the PM team were working on something official, and their lawyers freaked out at the possibility of them being screwed by PM's continued existence. Some other members of the team may not have had much of an advance notice, which explains why they were still working on it until very recently.

If they are working on something official, it's definitely not with Nintendo. It's not in their style to pick up a group of modders, especially in the west. Probably some indie game or with a small publisher.

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#84216: Dec 2nd 2015 at 9:10:32 AM

I really hope it's not an indie thing. Rivals of Aether is bad enough already. We don't need another one.

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#84217: Dec 2nd 2015 at 9:12:26 AM

[up]I'm sorry, but what?

Rivals of Aether isn't bad in the least bit. The introduced mechanics are a great twist on the typical Smash formula, and the lore behind it actually has some depth. Not to mention that is isn't even at version 0.1 yet, yet despite that has well balanced characters and stages outside of Kragg and Absa.

I don't see how RoA could be considered "bad enough".

edited 2nd Dec '15 9:13:00 AM by EpicBleye

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#84218: Dec 2nd 2015 at 9:16:30 AM

[up] It should be pointed out that Baffle really hates indie games.

Wow, I may have never gotten to play it, but the fact that Project M is kill took me by surprise.

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#84219: Dec 2nd 2015 at 9:17:21 AM

I played PM a little, and added some custom skins here and there, but I was never too huge of it. It's sad to see it go, but I totally understand why.

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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#84220: Dec 2nd 2015 at 9:19:11 AM

Rivals of Aether looks fun based off of that one video The JWitz did on Smash fan games. Probably never going to play it due to me being apathetic, but it still looks like a good game.

edited 2nd Dec '15 9:19:28 AM by Karxrida

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#84221: Dec 2nd 2015 at 9:21:14 AM

It's fun, but totally understand why you wouldn't get it. Once it's more developed there should be more reasons to play it.

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#84222: Dec 2nd 2015 at 9:23:30 AM

I have no idea what that game is.

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#84223: Dec 2nd 2015 at 9:24:40 AM

I might get Ro A, since I actually get halfway decent internet on my computer to play online, but I'll wait till it's out of alpha/beta/whatever.

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#84224: Dec 2nd 2015 at 9:26:34 AM

Here is their site.

It's an indie game modeled after the Smash formula, except it mixes it up with how the characters move and how they interact with the stage. Plus each character is assigned to one of the four elements (fire, water, earth, air) and their moves reflect that.

It's in pre-alpha right now, but totally playable both online and offline. I'd say it's worth the money, but that is really up to the individual. Plus the characters are all fairly unique (though they definitely take a lot of pointers from Smash).

edited 2nd Dec '15 9:26:49 AM by EpicBleye

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#84225: Dec 2nd 2015 at 9:34:11 AM

I wouldn't mind the Smash style becoming more of a genre.

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