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Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
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#83876: Nov 23rd 2015 at 11:12:28 AM

Alts?

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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#83877: Nov 23rd 2015 at 11:38:17 AM

alts = entirely separate character slots

as we all know

edited 23rd Nov '15 12:24:51 PM by Demonfly

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#83878: Nov 23rd 2015 at 12:23:27 PM

I'd rather not see alts this time around, but I think next game each character should have an unlockable alt costume, which comes with its own 8 palettes as well.

  • Mario: Sunglasses and tropical shirt from Super Mario Sunshine
  • Luigi: Mr. L
  • Peach: Sports attire
  • Bowser: Dry Bowser
  • Rosalina: Motorcycling uniform
  • Bowser Jr: Shadow Mario scarf over his mouth, classic coloration palettes for the Koopalings.
  • Dr. Mario: ???
  • Yoshi: Yarn Yoshi. I'd also make Yoshi an exception to the 8-palette rule and give him all 10 standard Yoshi colors (He's currently missing white and orange)
  • Wario: Overalls, just like he has right now.
  • Donkey Kong: ???
  • Diddy Kong: ???
  • Link: Hyrule Warriors scarf
  • Zelda: Hyrule Warriors design
  • Sheik: Hyrule Warriors design
  • Ganondork: OOT design assuming he's still TP design, TP design if he's got a new design
  • Toon Link: Outset Island outfit
  • Samus: Fusion Suit (With the Fusion Suit-themed palette replaced)
  • Zero Suit Samus: Shorts and top ending outfit like she already has
  • Pit: The armor that accompanies the 3 Sacred Treasures
  • Palutena: ???
  • Ow the Edge Pit: ???
  • Marth: Older design
  • Ike: Path of Radiance design
  • Robin: Female Robin, like he already has
  • Lucina: "Marth"
  • Roy: ???
  • Kirby: ???
  • King Dedede: Masked Dedede
  • Meta Knight: Unmasked Meta Knight
  • Fox: Expert Mode sunglasses
  • Falco: Assault design. Or the blocky 64 design, for laughs
  • Every Pokemon: I'd overhaul this completely. Their standard palettes would all be accessories like Pikachu and Jigglypuff, while their alternate "costume" would be their shiny palette.
  • R.O.B.: ???
  • Ness: Pajamas
  • Lucas: Pigmask commander uniform
  • Captain Falcon: That ridiculous outfit he had in one of GX's scenes
  • Villager: Uh... all his current palette swaps are already "alternate costumes", so I'm not sure what he'd get.
  • Olimar: I guess Alph, though I'm generally not a fan of alternate costumes being separate characters.
  • Wii Fit Trainer: Male WFT, like she already has
  • Shulk: Underwear Shulk, like he already has
  • Mr. Game & Watch: His classic, disjointed look
  • Little Mac: I'd demote wireframe Mac to a single palette, and make his proper alt be the jogging jacket
  • Duck Hunt: ???
  • Sonic: ???
  • Mega Man: ???
  • Pac-Man: ???
  • Ryu: ???
  • Cloud: ???

Can't think of any alt costumes for some of these folk.

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#83879: Nov 23rd 2015 at 12:26:50 PM

Captain Falcon: That ridiculous outfit he had in one of GX's scenes
Ah,you mean his feathers and window curtain disguise as Captain Famicom from Chapter 3, right?

I sure said that!
Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
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#83880: Nov 23rd 2015 at 12:39:59 PM

We've seen that Cloud already has alts, at least in the specific sense of the term we seem to be using right now.

Sonic and Megaman have plenty of stuff; the latter obviously has the later iterations to draw from, while Sonic can tap into his if-all-else-fails Classic aesthetic if he's still not allowed to use other colors.

This might as well be a requirement for future Ryu inclusions, and Pac-Man... could revert to the Ghostly Adventures incarnation for giggles.

edited 23rd Nov '15 12:58:40 PM by Demonfly

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#83881: Nov 23rd 2015 at 1:11:43 PM

The look would probably be off for hitbox reasons, but Dr. Mario's alternate could be Dr. Luigi.

Donkey Kong has enough similar characters in his own series that could play functionally similar enough that you have your pick for him. Diddy is the problem because of his tail; Dixie is the closest, and we had the ponytail problem come up already.

You know, if we're going to pull out the Hyrule Warriors designs for the others, Ganondorf has a really badass redesign there, too. Plus, the redesigned Ganon from that game could get pulled in as his final smash.

For Samus, I instead would propose that regular Samus keep the Fusion Suit pattern, along with the Fusion Suit alt getting a classic/varia/gravity suit set of palettes.

For both Pit and Dark Pit, one idea would be to play as the Light Fighter and Dark Fighter characters, respectively, used in team multiplayer arena mode. (Also appropriate, given that the team close to losing has one of their team respawned as Pit or Dark Pit, with the victory condition being beating the other team's angel).

Kirby could become Lololo - that's the only character I could see fitting.

ROB... hmm... maybe walking around with the Stack-Up trays and throwing those discs instead of the spinner.

I think the best way to redo the Villager would be to have prominent NPC characters from Animal Crossing fight. Tom Nook and his nephews are obvious choices, as are Mr. Resetti, Redd, and Lyle.

Sonic, as suggested, could be replaced with Shadow or Silver. That said, I think Metal Sonic would be more badass.

For Mega Man... his final smash already has four possible options. I'd go with X myself, but any of them could work (Mega Man.EXE probably has the best claim, though, as I think his series only appeared on Nintendo systems).

Pac-Man... well, to be Captain Obvious, Ms. Pac-Man.

Ryu has plenty of options, being the template upon which all Shotoclones have sprung, not to mention characters inspired by his look even if they fight differently. Ken, Akuma, Gouken, Sean, Dan Hibiki... heck, for shits and giggles, I'll throw Sakura in there, even though her versions work much differently and she doesn't resemble him in body type at all.

Cloud already has his Advent Children outfit as an alt, which is as different from his original look as some of the others you've suggested. That said, if they wanted a radical difference, they could pull in Lightning from Final Fantasy XIII, who was designed as Female Cloud per Word of God. She'd probably have to swap to one of her last weapons to match the size of the Buster Sword, and while the final smash would look the same, they could change the text box to say Army of One instead.

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IceAnt573 Forever not amused. Since: May, 2015
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#83882: Nov 23rd 2015 at 1:14:19 PM

I really don't like the idea for character alts actually being different characters.

Everzwijn glarblgrklgrgg from under your bed Since: Sep, 2009
#83883: Nov 23rd 2015 at 1:23:27 PM

It worked for Alph and the Koopalings. It'll work just as well for Ken and Shadow at least.

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#83884: Nov 23rd 2015 at 1:26:07 PM

Metal Sonic as an alt would face less backlash than Shadow as an alt would.

RE: Wolf:

Isn't Wolf the second most popular vote in Japan? (not counting Roy)

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#83885: Nov 23rd 2015 at 1:28:06 PM

Except Shadow should have different moves from Sonic. Chaos Control, Spear, and Blast and all that.

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#83886: Nov 23rd 2015 at 1:30:17 PM

My stance on Robin alts remains the same as before.

In addition to Hyrule Warriors outfits for the Zelda characters, it'd be fun to have masked costumes like in HW's Majora's Mask DLC.

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strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#83887: Nov 23rd 2015 at 1:48:29 PM

Alternate costumes being other characters only works if they are similar enough to warrant it. Alph/Olimar works because they're fairly similar in design, the Koopalings all use the Clown car, etc. Swapping out Pikachu for Pachirisu or something similar wouldn't work the same way.

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
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#83888: Nov 23rd 2015 at 2:06:01 PM

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#83889: Nov 23rd 2015 at 2:08:23 PM

That they're mutually alts.

Anyway, what would you guys say to getting HW Ganondorf as an alt skin? He's got to be my favorite design for the old coot, visually speaking.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#83890: Nov 23rd 2015 at 2:08:37 PM

Ah,you mean his feathers and window curtain disguise as Captain Famicom from Chapter 3, right?

Yeah, that. I haven't had the pleasure of playing GX, but I am familiar with that at least.

This might as well be a requirement for future Ryu inclusions

Agreed. I'm not a SF player so I didn't know about that.

Donkey Kong has enough similar characters in his own series that could play functionally similar enough that you have your pick for him. Diddy is the problem because of his tail; Dixie is the closest, and we had the ponytail problem come up already.

Like I said, I generally prefer to avoid using entirely different characters as alts. Koopalings and Alph get grandfathered in, but I'd rather not do things like Mega Man X, Ms. Pac-Man, Dixie, ect.

You know, if we're going to pull out the Hyrule Warriors designs for the others, Ganondorf has a really badass redesign there, too. Plus, the redesigned Ganon from that game could get pulled in as his final smash.

That's true. I just figured I shouldn't pull them all from Hyrule Warriors.

edited 23rd Nov '15 2:12:04 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Everzwijn glarblgrklgrgg from under your bed Since: Sep, 2009
#83891: Nov 23rd 2015 at 2:16:48 PM

Shadow was a moveset clone in his debut game and Heroes. It'll work. I doubt they'd put in the effort to make a seperate moveset for a second third party character from the same series. Most of all, I want Shadow as an alternate skin because Sonic's current palette swaps are really bland.

edited 23rd Nov '15 2:17:18 PM by Everzwijn

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Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
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#83892: Nov 23rd 2015 at 2:33:45 PM

HW Ganondorf without his boss-ass sword moves would be a travesty.

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#83893: Nov 23rd 2015 at 2:39:37 PM

I personally like Oo T/Spaceworld Ganondorf more anyways~

The Gerudo legwarmers and boots looks a lot nicer on the eyes than that bulky black armor.

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#83894: Nov 23rd 2015 at 3:22:03 PM

Eveeyone seems to want Ike's costume be his old design from Path of Radiance, but i'd actually go with Priam from Awakening, as it not only is a different enough change to avoid confusion with Ike's default along with it keeping the sword as Ragnell, it also brings the gag of Priam having been named after one of Ike's prototype names full circle. Plus, Priam on his own is pretty cool already, being Ike's decendant as well as being pretty awesome in his own right.

With Ryu, sure making him a different character would be neat, but Street Fighter IV and V have given him plenty of costumes of his own that Nintendo and/or Capcom could use instead.

edited 23rd Nov '15 3:26:05 PM by TechPowah

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MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#83895: Nov 23rd 2015 at 3:47:56 PM

I kind of wonder what Customs Ryu could have had, if he had them, what with the large number of Shoto Clones out there, and the variations that exist of three of his specials.

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#83896: Nov 23rd 2015 at 4:06:46 PM

I'm guessing he could get Sakura's version of the Hadouken, Tatsu and Shoryuken since they're pretty different from the original (Her Hadouken can be charged but goes a shorter distance, Tatsu goes in an arc and Shoryuken is multihit) and I guess a fire Shoryuken that could be of the "stronger but slower" type.

edited 23rd Nov '15 4:07:35 PM by FullMoon

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#83897: Nov 23rd 2015 at 4:07:06 PM

[up][up][up]Priam's cool but I doubt they'd include a very obscure bonus character.

The Koopalings get in as an alt because they're iconic and very popular, and Alph gets in to give Pikmin 3 some representation outside of the stage.

edited 23rd Nov '15 4:07:18 PM by Anomalocaris20

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BlitzTrain Since: Apr, 2014
#83898: Nov 23rd 2015 at 4:09:45 PM

Is Pikmin 3 represented in the stage at all? Or is it just Pikmin franchise in general that gets referenced?

...I've only got 3DS stage so I don't know if there's a different Pikmin stage on Wii-U or not.

edited 23rd Nov '15 4:10:06 PM by BlitzTrain

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#83899: Nov 23rd 2015 at 4:11:09 PM

The Wii U has the Garden Of Hope from Pikmin 3.

I need to actually play the Pikmin sequels as I enjoyed what I played of the first game.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#83900: Nov 23rd 2015 at 4:17:22 PM

Garden of Hope stage is specifically an area from Pikmin 3, as are all the stage elements present on it.

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