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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#83776: Nov 22nd 2015 at 2:15:08 PM

I don't think Pit has that many combos actually.

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Role Model
#83777: Nov 22nd 2015 at 2:39:36 PM

If you find you aren't bad with them, just be fine with them. Don't put too much stock in what you hear.

MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#83778: Nov 22nd 2015 at 3:33:08 PM

Hmm, doing a bit of research on "The Numbers™", it seems like most character who are considered "fast" have higher falling speeds.

Is this for balance reasons, or is it just a weird quirk of the design?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#83779: Nov 22nd 2015 at 3:45:13 PM

It's no quirk, C.F. and Shiek, are just heavy characters. It makes sense.

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#83780: Nov 22nd 2015 at 3:51:11 PM

Sheik is light though.

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#83781: Nov 22nd 2015 at 3:56:40 PM

Weight and fall speed are two different values. Mewtwo is light and falls slowly, Falcon is middle-weight and a fastfaller, Sheik is light and falls fast.

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#83782: Nov 22nd 2015 at 3:56:43 PM

[up]But difficult to KO like Kirby, Meta Knight, and Jigglypuff?

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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Absolutely no relation to NLK
#83784: Nov 22nd 2015 at 4:05:05 PM

Cross-reference with this.

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MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#83785: Nov 22nd 2015 at 4:08:48 PM

The Smash Wiki's articles for Falling speed, and weight.

It's why I was curious about it; a lot of "fast"-type character have higher falling speeds, and I'm wondering if it's not to make them overpowered.

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#83786: Nov 22nd 2015 at 4:12:38 PM

Not quite. Consider that fastfallers can survive longer than heavier slow-fallers when launched vertically. Fox is harder to kill than his weight would suggest, for instance.

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#83787: Nov 22nd 2015 at 4:19:39 PM

There's also a gravity factor to keep in mind though.

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#83788: Nov 22nd 2015 at 4:26:33 PM

Hm? How's that?

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#83789: Nov 22nd 2015 at 4:40:23 PM

Gravity is how fast your character reaches their max fall speed. Similarly there's air acceleration for how fast your characters reachers their maximum horizontal airpseed and air decceleration for how well you can steer them when they're in the air.

Smash is a complicated game.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#83790: Nov 22nd 2015 at 4:58:05 PM

And the casuals will be confused at learning all this shit.

Or they just won't care.

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strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#83791: Nov 22nd 2015 at 5:25:17 PM

Well, that's kind of a given. If you're just getting into something/don't play that much, of course you wouldn't know all this stuff.

It's not like this stuff needs to be known to play well anyways.

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#83792: Nov 22nd 2015 at 5:25:37 PM

I understand that jump height, weight and fall speed have nothing to do with each other.

But I never think about it either.

When in a match, I just focus on my opponent. No need to memorize all that weight, jump and fall shit as long as you just observe the enemy you are fighting.

Fox being lighter than Falco is a surprise though.

And wasn't Dr Mario supposed to be heavier than The Mario? What is going on I don't even.

MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#83793: Nov 22nd 2015 at 5:30:14 PM

I didn't look up any of the numbers for playing reasons, I looked it up for fighter conceptualization reasons.

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#83794: Nov 22nd 2015 at 5:33:41 PM

Fall speed does matter a little because it makes some character easier to get in stuff like Up-Tilt chains. Those are my worst nemesis as Greninja.

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#83795: Nov 22nd 2015 at 5:40:17 PM

Speaking of, it's disorienting to see you without him in your avatar, unless your current avatar is an anthropomorphized version of him.

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#83796: Nov 22nd 2015 at 5:46:05 PM

...

I didn't even realize that was Moon until now!

D'oh!

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#83797: Nov 22nd 2015 at 5:48:21 PM

Teehee

Also my avatar is Alice Margatroid from Touhou tongue

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#83798: Nov 22nd 2015 at 5:50:04 PM

Freaking ZUN man, creating the anime girl version of Greninja before Greninja was a thing. tongue

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#83799: Nov 22nd 2015 at 5:51:15 PM

I cannot wrap my head around Touhou.

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#83800: Nov 22nd 2015 at 5:52:16 PM

Physics are a joke and even the weakest characters stomp all over anything less than a Reality Warper.

Pretty much all you need to know.


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