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JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#83526: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:45:59 AM

Personally I think the "do kids know this character?" is a factor, but there's no one set criteria. It's the sum of all of them. Comparing Roy with Cloud is a crapshoot because pretty much each individual character's circumstances are different. Roy may have gotten in because of Melee, but that doesn't really reflect anything about why Cloud was included.

edited 16th Nov '15 7:46:35 AM by JapaneseTeeth

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#83527: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:48:42 AM

Roy and Lucas only got back in due to fan request, which is tied to the fact that they're veterans. Sakurai is probably aware that Cloud has been a requested character, even if a lot of those requests might have been done in jest.

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The crabby fussbudget
#83528: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:49:09 AM

Not I! 18!!

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
Hey there! Having fun?
#83529: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:50:14 AM

I'm sure Cloud will make some kind of sense when Sakurai explains in the Smash Direct next month.

Like Snake had the reason of "Kojima is Sakurai's best friend".

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MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#83530: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:55:04 AM

One point to bring up in this kids debate; how many kids are still playing and keeping up with Smash a year after it's release? How many even knew or cared that the "Smash ballot" was a thing?

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#83531: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:56:14 AM

[up][up] Is Cloud really so impossible that we need an official explanation as to why he's in?

Don't get me wrong, it's still baffling as all hell, but it's not completely nonsensical. And besides, I think "Sakurai is a batshit sorceror" is a suitable-enough answer. [lol]

edited 16th Nov '15 7:56:24 AM by Watchtower

JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing
#83532: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:57:43 AM

I can understand why he's in, it's the how that took a lot of people by surprise. He's way more associated with the PS consoles than Nintendo, so nobody was really expecting him.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#83533: Nov 16th 2015 at 8:14:24 AM

If Young Link, Pichu, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Wolf, Snake and Ice Climbers were to come back for Smash 5 on the NX, what upgrades would ya want for them?

Also, since Capcom has two reps in the form of Megaman and Ryu, what second rep would you want for the other 3rd Parties represented for Smash 5? (Sega, Konami, Namco and Square Enix)

edited 16th Nov '15 8:15:29 AM by Rinsankajugin

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#83534: Nov 16th 2015 at 8:17:21 AM

Chrono? Then Goku really would be in Smash.

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#83535: Nov 16th 2015 at 8:21:53 AM

[up][up]SEGA: Tails, Knuckles, Eggman, Amy, or Blaze

Konami: Kid Dracula, as I just can't see Simon getting the greenlight

Namco: Klonoa

S-Q: Rocket the Slime?

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#83536: Nov 16th 2015 at 8:32:54 AM

I'd just like to point out about the statistics last page: the average age is very misleading, and from a statistical standpoint doesn't amount to much.

A bell curve would be much more appropriate, since extremes on either side (especially on the older side) would heavily balance the the average to be older- evident by the 27% of 50+ group. It doesn't help that they grouped 18-35 years old together (on page 3), further hindering accurate statistics. Of course that would be the largest group, it holds the most ages in it. It needs to be further divided in order to actually get an accurate measurement.

Another issue is the fact that they define gamer as "3 or more hours a week", especially since they don't define what "social games" are. This means that a much larger pool for what defines a "gamer" has been established, one that is wholesomely inaccurate as a representation for data collection.

Finally, the fact that they represent their data as an infograph is concerning. Infographs are notorious for misrepresenting data in order to forward a certain ideology, and to make people think the data is supporting something that it really isn't supporting. This source is no exception. It spends no time explaining how they collected their data, only showing what they think their data means, which really hinders its credibility.

tl;dr: take the source with a grain of salt.

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#83537: Nov 16th 2015 at 8:36:08 AM

[up]x4 From Sega, I'd want to see someone from an Atlus-imprint franchise, like Jack Frost or Protector.

Capcom's already got two fighters, and they're both excellent choices.

Namco- I'd like to see Cress or Lloyd, though I'd settle for any other Tales lead.

SE- Slime or Erdrick's Descendent as a composite DQ lead, this one's easy.

Konami: Assuming the shitstorm going on right now doesn't kill 'em, Snake's return and Simon-as-composite Belmont would both be nifty.

edited 16th Nov '15 8:38:28 AM by Pulse

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#83538: Nov 16th 2015 at 10:37:11 AM

Guys, why are we still arguing about this?

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#83539: Nov 16th 2015 at 10:38:04 AM

You may notice that we aren't.

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#83540: Nov 16th 2015 at 10:44:51 AM

No, don't tell them that!

They need their le epic salt maymay!tongue

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#83541: Nov 16th 2015 at 11:16:07 AM

Goddammit, this thread has been downright toxic and unenjoyable since Thursday. C'mon, we can do better than that.

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#83542: Nov 16th 2015 at 11:20:23 AM

[up][up] cool it, dude. Mocking someone for being angry is not in any way better than being angry.


Dream choices for second guest reps:

Sega: Bayonetta

Namco: Cress/Lloyd/Emil/Luke/Asbel. Or Klonoa.

Square: Kevin

Konami: Shanoa

edited 16th Nov '15 11:24:08 AM by Enlong

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#83543: Nov 16th 2015 at 11:36:01 AM

What's Roy saying in his side taunt?

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#83544: Nov 16th 2015 at 11:52:36 AM

Hmm... possible inclusions from the other third-party publishers...

Konami - beyond bringing Snake back, of course, I think a Castlevania rep is obvious. Soma might actually be the best choice - with the souls he's captured, he'd have a wide possible moveset. Failing that, Alucard (who was in Castlevania III: Dracula's Curse'), since he was the main player character in the series' most popular entry (even if said entry has never graced a Nintendo console).

Sega - Hrm... They could go with a second Sonic character; don't know which. That said, I'd love to see them throw a huge curveball and bring back Alex Kidd. Nobody would see it coming.

Namco - Hmm... a Tales representative seems like the obvious choice, and I think Yuri Lowell of Tales of Vesperia (who's in both Project X-Zone games, so he's as much of a stretch as Cloud) would be most likely. That said, I think they'd go a completely different route. Namely, they'd pay Nintendo back for loaning them Link in SoulCalibur II ages ago and put a character from the Soul series in. It'd be interesting to see Nightmare or Cervantes get in, though if they picked Mitsurugi, I'd be disappointed but not surprised. If, on the other hand, they went with Tekken (and I would expect they would; if Capcom is going to pull from their flagship fighter, Namco will too), Heihachi is the obvious choice.

Square Enix - They could do a generic Hero character from Dragon Quest and make the different appearance options match with the canonical appearance of the first eight games' heroes. They could do what they always do and put Sephiroth in, because Cloud can't go anywhere without Sephiroth getting in (also, I predict a remix of "One-Winged Angel" would be used instead of the original; it's too long otherwise). That said, I'll go with Sora instead, as his moveset seems the most friendly for Smash incorporation.

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#83545: Nov 16th 2015 at 11:55:49 AM

Kingdom Hearts might get in via indirect means, as I believe the most recent version of One-Winged Angel is from the HD 2.5 ReMIX version of Kingdom Hearts II.

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#83546: Nov 16th 2015 at 11:57:19 AM

Playing Smash Bros with One Winged Angel playing in the background would be so surreal.

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#83547: Nov 16th 2015 at 11:58:18 AM

Remix it.

With the choir that sang Audi Famam Illius. ;p

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#83548: Nov 16th 2015 at 12:05:54 PM

Well, both Brawl's main theme and "One-Winged Angel" were composed by Nobuo Uematsu, so there's that.

edited 16th Nov '15 12:06:41 PM by BurntMario

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#83549: Nov 16th 2015 at 12:06:49 PM

For another Sonic character, I'd think that either Tails (the original sidekick) or Eggman (the main villain) would be the most clear choices. Especially because you could get pretty inventive with their movesets. Tails would be like a reverse Little Mac with a crazy air game, but super light and having very few good ground options, with some of his gadgets thrown in for specials and his plane as the final smash. Eggman would be robot city, for obvious reasons.

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#83550: Nov 16th 2015 at 12:08:13 PM

Well, since the theme to Brawl was mentioned, there is the Bat Deduction theory that I had for the December announcement, but even I think it's too silly for words.

This Direct had a reveal of Cloud from Final Fantasy VII. Square Enix obviously is cool with putting their characters in Smash. Then we look over and notice that they're doing an announcement for Smash in December. This notice was shown as the main theme for Super Smash Bros. Brawl (the choral version of "Audi famam illius..."). This was composed by Nobuo Uematsu, famous for his work on many of the most famous Final Fantasy games. The announcement will thus connect to him. And his favorite of the series to work on was Final Fantasy IX. Thus, the announcement is that Zidane will get into Smash, and that S-E is going to do a remake of FF9 for the WiiU.

If all of that somehow happens, I will do a suitably ridiculous YouTube video in response.

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