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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#83501: Nov 15th 2015 at 7:17:35 PM

Right now it's Undertale, but there's been a lot of them.

edited 15th Nov '15 7:17:55 PM by Pulse

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Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#83503: Nov 15th 2015 at 7:24:02 PM

LISA is basically Rated R EarthBound, Space Funeral definitely has EarthBound as a partial inspiration... There's a lot of deliberately weird/quirky RPGs, both freeware and not, that at least take a page from EB, even if they go way off in their own directions.

edited 15th Nov '15 7:26:05 PM by Pulse

I sure said that!
strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#83504: Nov 15th 2015 at 7:24:08 PM

There was that one with the President who has to save America from Aliens(no not Saints Row) and LISA off the top of my head.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#83505: Nov 15th 2015 at 7:24:13 PM

I will give you guys Link.

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Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#83506: Nov 15th 2015 at 7:32:22 PM

[up][up] Citizens of Earth. I bought it after watching my brother play Undertale, but since I bought Shin Megami Tensei IV at the same time, it's kind of been on the back burner.

@Moon: I'd play with you, but since I've moved, my net's not been the best and I don't want to run all the data out trying to play online, especially since the rest of the family also uses the net. And I only have the 3DS version.

Oh, speaking of that, I decided to buy all the released DLC stages, but I'm kind of miffed that Ryu's forcibly attached to his stage, making it more expensive. I need to wait a bit before I buy him, since I wasn't planning on doing that until later.

edited 15th Nov '15 7:32:50 PM by Customer

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#83507: Nov 15th 2015 at 8:51:50 PM

I'd like to play online, but I can't tolerate lag.

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Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#83508: Nov 15th 2015 at 8:54:31 PM

Not sure if this was linked yet, but here's a shot of the Summon Materia on Midgard. Supposedly it works just by touching it, instead of trying to break it like a Smash Ball.

edited 15th Nov '15 8:55:41 PM by Customer

KSoniK Since: Jan, 2015
#83509: Nov 16th 2015 at 2:56:36 AM

I personally think Sak's gonna focus more on the intended demographic of little kids than the Vocal Minority for the next DLC characters. This won't necessarily be a bad thing; it's just that I wouldn't get my hopes up for more characters whose relevance faded out over a decade before most of the playerbase was born.

Roy completely invalidates this argument as his only major appearance was in a game released in 2001, 14 years ago.

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#83510: Nov 16th 2015 at 4:17:55 AM

He's a vet, though.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#83511: Nov 16th 2015 at 4:25:13 AM

Methinks the original argument is talking about non-vets only. And all of the current cut vets bar the Ice Climbers are fairly relevant right now. Pichu to a lesser degree, but he's definitely in the current games.

Shadow?
JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing
#83512: Nov 16th 2015 at 5:30:10 AM

Honestly, I think the whole question of "Is Nintendo aiming at kids or adults?" is kind of moot, given their typical MO is "Why not both?" They generally follow a strategy of "create games that are accessible for new players, but have bonus content for long-time fans". And that's true both in terms of content and gameplay.

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SapphireBlue Since: Jan, 2001
#83513: Nov 16th 2015 at 5:58:33 AM

[up] That's pretty much how I see it. Most Nintendo stuff is appropriate for kids, but fun for anyone.

That said, some of their franchises are more kid-friendly than others. Sure, stuff like Pokemon and Mario are firmly in E-rated territory, but stuff like Fire Emblem and Metriod are more geared towards older audiences. Although to be fair, I played the GBA Fire Emblem games when I was in middle school, so I guess it's flexible.

edited 16th Nov '15 5:59:01 AM by SapphireBlue

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#83514: Nov 16th 2015 at 6:03:48 AM

The FE games are rated T, so middle school is about the appropriate age to start playing them. I was 12 when I rented Sacred Stones and Path of Radiance.

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#83515: Nov 16th 2015 at 6:14:42 AM

That being said, they are a bit more difficult than most kids that age are ready for.

JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing
#83516: Nov 16th 2015 at 6:46:28 AM

Heck, even the most recent Pokemon games have some pretty freaky stuff if you dig in a little bit. Like all the Mauville-related stuff in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire.

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KSoniK Since: Jan, 2015
#83517: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:16:48 AM

He's a vet, though

Veteran status doesn't matter when your only major appearance is in a game most kids today haven't played. Acting like veteran status gives you a free pass is moving the goal post. Roy proves kids don't matter when it comes to targeting DLC towards fans, nevermind that actual research has been done on the average age of gamers are anything but pre-teen, including Nintendo gamers

And no, Roy and Lucas absolutely are not "relevant" characters because relevance isn't about merely appearing in a recent game, it's about having importance and neither of them are important to Nintendo.

I've never seen a worse cop-out argument being used than "he's a vet" because that doesn't remotely counter the argument at all.

edited 16th Nov '15 7:18:30 AM by KSoniK

BlitzTrain Since: Apr, 2014
#83518: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:25:40 AM

Huh, that's a pretty interesting set of statistics, thanks for linking it.

JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing
#83519: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:35:44 AM

Yeah, I knew that the average age of gamers fell in the adult range, but I didn't expect it to be that high.

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#83520: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:37:12 AM

I knew it was the 18-35 range.

That is the age range that grew up playing video games, funnily enough.

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#83521: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:38:08 AM

I figured that all young gamers were just playing mobile games.

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Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#83522: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:39:41 AM

Tone down the aggro, dude. I'm not copping out on anything. My point is that Smash has an established fandom that goes beyond what gamers, kids or otherwise, might buy SSB 4 as their first game. Roy getting in was because of his veteran status and nostalgia for Melee, no other reason. He was mediocre in Melee as well as his own game. His getting in doesn't constrict or expand the bounds of what characters are likely to be considered for the roster.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
KSoniK Since: Jan, 2015
#83523: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:42:32 AM

[up]No, but it invalidates the idea that a character might be left out because kids don't know him because most kids haven't played Melee. That's my whole point, not that he increased anyone's chance.

BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
Hey there! Having fun?
#83524: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:43:37 AM

Those statistics are... depressing.

Sweet fuckery, we're already washed-up has-beens.

"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
KSoniK Since: Jan, 2015
#83525: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:45:30 AM

[up]On the bright side, at least Nintendo confirmed that they are willing to further push their I Ps in terms of recognizability via other media. Hopefully, if that goes well, kids can finally be able to properly name Link and Samus when they see them.


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