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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#83276: Nov 13th 2015 at 7:00:33 PM

[up][up]Shovel Knight also has no Japanese release and his NFC figure is an amiibo only because of the chipset used- The figures are being made by Yacht Club, not Nintendo.

I sure said that!
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#83277: Nov 13th 2015 at 7:01:00 PM

[up][up][up][up]Wait, really? Where was that said?

edited 13th Nov '15 7:01:25 PM by LordVatek

This song needs more love.
MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#83278: Nov 13th 2015 at 7:03:27 PM

I think that Shovel Knight's been oversold as "definitely happening" due to that amiibo, really.

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#83279: Nov 13th 2015 at 7:09:07 PM

[up][up] Look back at the trailer and you'll see that when they're demonstrating the stage a red orb flies by and also the fact that unlike earlier in the trailer where he does the "spell casting" animation the symbols appear around him and he has a red Aura.

Every time the summons show up after that Cloud has a red aura around him except when it's Ifrit, then it's Toon Link

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#83280: Nov 13th 2015 at 7:12:00 PM

[up]Ah yes, I see that now.

This song needs more love.
IceAnt573 Forever not amused. Since: May, 2015
Forever not amused.
#83281: Nov 13th 2015 at 7:22:46 PM

Cloud's Boxing Ring title might go the boring route and mention him being a part of SOLDIER.

I wonder who else will get a trophy besides the summons...

Laniv Since: Aug, 2010
#83282: Nov 13th 2015 at 7:57:09 PM

[up]

  • Cloud
  • Cloud (Alt)
  • Cloud's Final Smash
  • Tifa
  • Sephiroth (?)
  • Moogle
  • Chocobo
  • Black Mage (?)
  • White Mage (?)

I'll admit the last couple of trophies are my personal wants.

Grounder Main Character Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
Main Character
#83283: Nov 13th 2015 at 8:00:31 PM

Lightning and only Lightning.

JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing
#83284: Nov 13th 2015 at 9:11:17 PM

For FFVII trophies, I'd say the most likely candidates are Sephiroth (main villain), Aerith (for her death being one of the most famous moments in gaming history), a Moogle (series mascot) or a Chocobo (see Moogle).

As for new characters, I'm thinking that for the ballot. K. Rool is likely, and after Splatoon did so well, Inklings aren't much of a stretch either. Shovel Knight... I could go either way. He got an amiibo, but outside of that there isn't much pointing towards his involvement. So he's possible, but not as likely.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#83285: Nov 13th 2015 at 9:20:27 PM

Oh man, can you guys imagine Palutena/Viridi's Guidance for Cloud?

Pit: That. Sword. Is. HUGE! Almost gives Magnus' sword a run for its money! Almost.

Viridi: It's called the Buster Sword, and its wielder is one Cloud Strife. An ex-S.O.L.D.I.E.R. for the organization AVALANCHE.

Pit: Cool names.

Palutena: Cool names aside, Cloud and his Buster Sword have vanquished the evil madman Sephiroth twice, so it shouldn't come as a surprise that they're a force to be reckoned with, Pit.

Viridi: While the Buster Sword looks big and strong, it shouldn't be hard to dodge. What you should be worried about are the Limit Breaks.

Pit: Uh, "Limit Breaks"?

Palutena: Cloud's power only magnifies with the Limit Breaks. If you get hit by them and have enough damage, it's over.

Pit: So when in doubt, float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. Got it, Lady Palutena!

Viridi: Sigh, I wonder if Cloud's seeing anyone. He's so dreamy. (n3n).

Palutena: Pretty sure he's already got someone or two in mind already. And they're probably way out of your league.

Viridi: Tch, who asked you?

Sorry if my knowledge (or lack thereof) of the FFVII mythos is off. (Haven't seen Advent Children yet...sad)

edited 13th Nov '15 9:25:19 PM by TargetmasterJoe

BurntMario Oh hai TV Tropes from Your nightmares Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Oh hai TV Tropes
#83286: Nov 13th 2015 at 9:21:50 PM

Good idea for sure, but you know how the Palutena's Guidance of DLC characters goes.

Call me Willy Whistle 'cause I can't speak, baby. Something in TV Tropes really drove me crazy.
strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#83287: Nov 13th 2015 at 9:21:50 PM

I don't think Shovel Knight getting an amiibo would mean anything for his inclusion in Smash. They'd still have to make another one for his Smash pose if Shovel Knight became a fighter. The amiibo just means the game was popular enough for him to warrant Yacht Club to get permission for an amiibo.

Although, if there was going to be an Indie rep, I'd count on Shovel Knight more than Shantae.

JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing
#83288: Nov 13th 2015 at 9:21:56 PM

Yeah, you pretty much nailed it, both in the sense of the FFVII references and the tone of the Guidance things. All it's missing is a reference to the cross-dressing.

I know almost nothing about Shantae. I want to play the games eventually, but I haven't had a chance.

edited 13th Nov '15 9:22:34 PM by JapaneseTeeth

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NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
Meh-meh!?
#83289: Nov 13th 2015 at 9:24:08 PM

That was pretty good! And... now I ship Viridi and Cloud. Gee, thanks.tongue

Here's my potshot at it:

Viridi: Go Cloud! Go Cloud!
Pit: What's got her so happy?
Palutena: Cloud's a member of an eco-terrorist group called AVALANCHE. He joined after defecting from Shinra- the corporation hurting the environment- so it's no surprise she'd root for him.
Pit: Eco-terrorist, huh? Sounds like a-
Viridi: GOOD GUY. And the correct word is "freedom fighter."
Pit: How's his scrawny arms swing that thing around anyways? His arms must be tired.
Palutena: Said Mr. "Swings Around a Skyscraper on a Stick."
Pit: It's lighter than it looks, I swear! A-anyways, this Cloud guy's going down.
Viridi: Don't count on it, featherbrains! Once he's got a Limit Break charged up, any one of his Special Attacks will be enough to send you flying!

edited 13th Nov '15 9:25:25 PM by NesClassic

🏳️‍⚧️she/her | Vio Rhyse Alberia
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#83290: Nov 13th 2015 at 9:29:28 PM

Good idea for sure, but you know how the Palutena's Guidance of DLC characters goes.

Actually, I don't. Haven't really found the time or the funds to get any of the DLC characters. sad

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#83291: Nov 13th 2015 at 9:30:17 PM

Besides, Viridi is a literal Goddess.

Cloud's not out of her league, especially if she learns he was an eco-terrorist.

edited 13th Nov '15 9:30:49 PM by ultimatepheer

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#83292: Nov 13th 2015 at 9:30:45 PM

[up][up]Basically, it amounts to "What, they're from another dimension and I can't say anything at all about them!"

edited 13th Nov '15 9:31:20 PM by Pulse

I sure said that!
JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing
#83293: Nov 13th 2015 at 9:30:50 PM

Well, there's always youtube. I did that mainly because I'm too lazy to go through and manually watch them all.

Also, did we ever get a release date or at least a general timeframe for when Cloud gets released? When I first watched the trailer I was too distracted and I'm too lazy to look it up now.

edited 13th Nov '15 9:32:47 PM by JapaneseTeeth

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MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#83294: Nov 13th 2015 at 9:32:04 PM

I don't see what exactly Shovel Knight makes Shovel Knight "more likely" than Shantae, really.

If anything, Shovel Knight's support just kind of waned until the "OMG AMIIBO SK CONFIRMED" thing happened while Shantae had a slow-but-steady rise. It doesn't rule him out in anyway, but both of them have their own pros and cons that the mad genius will weigh for himself.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#83295: Nov 13th 2015 at 9:35:28 PM

[up][up] The trailer didn't specify when Cloud's coming. sad But I think it's safe to say that we'll find out in the Smash Direct next month.

EDIT: BTW, how do you guys like Palutena's Guidence anyway? I saw a You Tube video that was comparing them to the Codecs from Brawl and they're kind of venomous towards the Guidence messages. Which is a shame because I quite like the Guidance. sad

edited 13th Nov '15 9:37:42 PM by TargetmasterJoe

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#83296: Nov 13th 2015 at 9:38:31 PM

Both he and Midgar appear to be more or less finished aside from last-minute balance tweaks, at least. I expect both not long into December.

As for the Guidances... They're okay, but they're a little too focused on gameplay terms and KI:U in-jokes. The CODEC chats Snake had in Brawl had much more clever writing.

edited 13th Nov '15 9:40:15 PM by Pulse

I sure said that!
IceAnt573 Forever not amused. Since: May, 2015
Forever not amused.
#83297: Nov 13th 2015 at 9:46:34 PM

I like the Guidances although that's probably because I just like Palutena's dialogue.

And I really love that Cloud doesn't actually move his legs when running.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#83298: Nov 13th 2015 at 9:47:20 PM

The CODEC chats Snake had in Brawl had much more clever writing

Oh.

Poo. sad

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#83299: Nov 13th 2015 at 9:51:17 PM

Cloud basically killed what little chance I thought Shovel Knight had. Whatever relevancy Cloud has towards Nintendo, he is clearly an icon, just like all the other third party characters. They are true all stars. Indy characters are not. Icons are what are coming to Smash, not small western games with an enthusiastic fanbase.

Which probably means Shovel Knight is coming next just to screw with me.

IceAnt573 Forever not amused. Since: May, 2015
Forever not amused.
#83300: Nov 13th 2015 at 10:00:06 PM

I mean...that disqualifies Shovel Knight from being a ballot-independent character, but not a ballot character. I don't think being "iconic" has anything to do with "winning" the ballot...well not entirely.

edited 13th Nov '15 10:00:34 PM by IceAnt573


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