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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#83226: Nov 13th 2015 at 12:16:01 PM

When people say "anything goes now" because of Cloud's inclusion, they are ignoring the extremely important context of Final Fantasy's history on Nintendo consoles. His game of origin may have not been on a Nintendo console, but his legacy has. The same cannot be said for characters like Master Chief or Kratos, who have never even touched anything Nintendo and are unimportant to its history.

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#83227: Nov 13th 2015 at 12:17:52 PM

Master Chief got people into the Xbox, which forced Nintendo to step up its game.

And it worked! Master Chief for Smash DLC. ;p

Kratos is already in Mortal Kombat, they can have him.

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#83229: Nov 13th 2015 at 12:36:50 PM

Meanwhile the Chief hasn't been in any fighting game yet. Put him in something.

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JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#83230: Nov 13th 2015 at 12:42:15 PM

@Enlong: The iconicness thing is true (to a degree, anyway), but Cloud's presence on Nintendo systems is so minimal that it's basically a formality. I'd say any character would have to be one of those things, but not necessarily both.

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#83231: Nov 13th 2015 at 12:48:42 PM

I'd say it's less that the character has to have a history with Nintendo and more like the franchise. Final Fantasy is a big franchise that began on Nintendo, but Cloud is the most iconic character from the franchise.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#83232: Nov 13th 2015 at 12:51:44 PM

I've not said that Cloud's presence on Nintendo consoles isn't a technicality. But it does mean that the letter of the rule has yet to be broken, and I'm not going to take seriously suggestions of characters that would break it until it happens. Which it won't.

Cloud pushes up against the limits of the rules, but doesn't break them.

edited 13th Nov '15 12:53:00 PM by Enlong

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#83233: Nov 13th 2015 at 12:56:45 PM

So, is this Cloud's first proper HD appearance? Because lol if so.

RoboZombie is on the verge of a great collapse today Since: Dec, 2010
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#83234: Nov 13th 2015 at 1:06:55 PM

Calling it right now, Goku and Darth Vader DLC's gonna be announced at the December event.

At this point all bets are off as far as who can make it in and who can't so and since Nintendo damn well knows people have been bitching for these two their gonna deliver even if it breaks their "no non video game character" policy.

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#83235: Nov 13th 2015 at 1:09:30 PM

[up][up] The new Dissidia probably is, but it's arcade only for now. So it could be possible for Smash 4 on Wii U to be Cloud's first HD appearance, yeah [lol].

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#83236: Nov 13th 2015 at 1:17:18 PM

You know, the fact that Cloud is in the game is making me feel less bad for voting for Bomberman and Master Higgins in the ballot. If Cloud can get in, maybe they could still get in...even if Konami is going bananas...hey, I can hope for it, right?

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JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#83237: Nov 13th 2015 at 1:37:52 PM

@Robo: Nah, they still have standards; they're just not as strict as we initially assumed. But "video game character" is still at the top of the list, so we're not going to be seeing Shrek in the game any time soon.

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#83238: Nov 13th 2015 at 1:59:56 PM

The "video game characters" rule can only be violated if Sakurai changes his mind or if Smash 5 has a new director who would think it's okay to have, say, Goku or Inu Yasha in.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#83239: Nov 13th 2015 at 2:00:21 PM

Master Chief hasn't been in a fighting game, but a female Spartan was in the Dead or Alive series.

Cloud's inclusion would be easier settled if Final Fantasy VII came to the Wii U or 3DS in some form.

I don't care for Cloud, but I hope his alternate costumes include Auron and other iconic Final Fantasy characters. Like Rikku, lol.

MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#83240: Nov 13th 2015 at 2:02:47 PM

If there's not a Lighting pallet, I think people will be disappointed.

Also, not entirely sure, but two things to keep in mind about cloud; First, I believe the FFVII remake is coming in 2017 or later, and secondly pretty sure Sony's paying for it to be made.

edited 13th Nov '15 2:04:12 PM by MEKristian

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#83241: Nov 13th 2015 at 2:03:28 PM

[up][up]I doubt Cloud will have any more alternate outfits outside of the Advent Children gear. It's just going to be palette swaps of the two outfits.

I can see a Zack and Sephiroth palette being likely though.

edited 13th Nov '15 2:04:08 PM by Lionheart0

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#83242: Nov 13th 2015 at 2:09:00 PM

A red and white Gilgamesh palette would make me so incredibly happy.

Based on Shulk, I expect palettes based on Aerith, Barret, Tifa and the rest of 'em.

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#83243: Nov 13th 2015 at 2:11:50 PM

He needs to have his cross dressing outfit as an Alt, though. tongue

edited 13th Nov '15 2:12:00 PM by Demongodofchaos2

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#83244: Nov 13th 2015 at 2:19:32 PM

[up]Stop stealing my ideas!

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#83245: Nov 13th 2015 at 2:20:15 PM

There needs to be a Chrono alt for Cloud!

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IceAnt573 Forever not amused. Since: May, 2015
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#83246: Nov 13th 2015 at 4:14:03 PM

Shouldn't the Summons on Midgar be added to the Other page like the rest of the stage hazards?

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#83247: Nov 13th 2015 at 4:58:59 PM

Cloud in a dress is a must. grin

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#83248: Nov 13th 2015 at 5:01:23 PM

[up][up]Once we have more details, sure. Right now we don't know how many there are or their exact effects.

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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#83250: Nov 13th 2015 at 5:36:19 PM

I'll admit the Summon Materia mechanic's kind of clever.

Takes a lot of randomness out of stage hazards and it fits thematically.


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