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MushroomMuncher from Anonymousville, Earth Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#83201: Nov 13th 2015 at 10:07:02 AM

I personally think Bayonetta is a bit...risque for Smash.

I mean if they'll cut a trophy for a character from a T Rated game due to being a bit revealing, I can't really see a character from an M Rated one being playable, who flashes herself all the time.

Wonder Red all the way though.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#83202: Nov 13th 2015 at 10:09:52 AM

... I'm reminded how much I wish Capcom would call up Platinum to finish the Viewtiful Joe trilogy already.

I sure said that!
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#83203: Nov 13th 2015 at 10:10:02 AM

Let's do Smash Science

Pac-Man is glitch central.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#83204: Nov 13th 2015 at 10:34:38 AM

I missed 6 pages overnight. You guys move quickly.

The more I think about it, the more I want to see Paper Mario added to this game. This is weird, since I grew up a Mario hater. Because earlier a troper was reiterating their support for Lip, I'm thinking maybe I'll restate my desired characters list and desired changes list, adding Paper Mario to the former.


Desired characters (in approximate order, assuming Wolf and Ice Climbers return): Third party:
Desired changes, tweaks and buffs:

Mewtwo: Highlight its telekinetic nature and Pokemon ability in a more beneficial way.

  • Add "Pressure" mechanic, doubling the Stale Moves penalty on all other fighters while he's out. This makes it slightly harder to rack up damage on him with repetitive combos.
  • Add a wall cling.
  • Add a sour spot hitbox to Mewtwo's body or tail in disjointed hitbox attacks.
  • Add an invisible tether recovery Zair. Grounded grab would remain the same speed, but with a larger reach.
  • Increase knockback on back throw, F+Tilt and F+Smash.
  • Increase dash speed.
  • Add horizontal hover after double jump, similar to Peach.

Zelda: more powerful defensively and with keep away.

  • Down+B Phantom Slash:
    • can't be broken or reflected, and always lasts for the full duration
    • can be used in midair and falls at her same speed, serving as a frontal shield in midair, then slashing once it hits the ground
    • Zelda can't use another action while it's out, and if used in midair, it puts her in the helpless state
  • Side+B Din's Fire:
    • Return to its Brawl incarnation
    • It no longer makes her helpless
  • Dair: Each step functions as an effective spike.
  • Increase knockback on smash attacks and throws.

Ganondorf: completing Divergent Character Evolution via magic and swordsmanship.

  • Add his Hyrule Warriors sword to his standard model, keeping most of his A moves the same, but changing the hitbox of some.
  • Neutral+B Change to "Dead Man's Volley": keeping his arm straight out, he charges a magical explosion. When initiated, there is a pop of dark energy, which functions as a reflector and pushes away opponents. Shortly after that, there is a shot of dark energy, resembling a charged Aura Sphere. Thus, if the reflector actually reflects, he returns the initial attack, following it with a projectile of his own. The shot part of the attack can still be reversed like the Falcon Punch, and both projectiles can be reflected, absorbed, etc.
    • Warlock's Punch becomes his new F+Smash.
  • Up+B Dark Dive: gains a vacuum property, pulling him and the highest available target together.
  • Down+B Wizard's Foot: add a vacuum property, dragging people into the sweetspot at the foot.

Palutena: turning her variability into a feature of her gameplay instead of working against her.

  • Any two of her customizeable moves for a position can be used within a battle. The secondary regenerates once used, similar to Robin's Levin Sword breaking and giving way to the Bronze Sword. The Primary and Secondary can be shared by one of the following:
    • The secondary can be triggered by holding B.
    • The secondary move can be triggered by pressing B + Shield.
  • Primaries & Secondaries would be divided as follows:
    • Neutral B: default Autoreticle & Explosive Flame, custom 1 Autoreticle & Heavenly Light, custom 2 Explosive Flame & Heavenly Light.
    • Side B: default Reflect Barrier & Superspeed, custom 1 Reflect Barrier & Angelic Missile, custom 2 Angelic Missile & Superspeed .
    • Up B: default Warp & Rocket Jump, custom 1 Warp & Jump Glide, custom 2 Jump Glide & Rocket Jump.
    • Down B: default Counter & Lightweight, custom 1 Counter & Celestial Firework, custom 2 Celestial Firework & Lightweight.

Samus: buff keep-away/spacing game

  • Grapple: after firing, can be briefly angled up to 90 degrees (vertical), like Pit's arrows.
  • B Charge Shot:
    • Automatically charges over time, like ROB's laser
    • Holding B draws it out, then you can tilt the control stick to choose the direction to shoot in. Releasing B fires it.
  • Side+B Missiles:
    • Increase all missile speed.
    • Slightly increase super missile power.
    • Homing Missile actually homes in better, capable of making sharp turns similar to Mii Gunner's.
  • Down+B Bombs:
    • Greatly increase damage and knockback, becoming a viable spike when used in the air, or potential kill move when grounded.
    • When used in air, automatically time and position to allow for a bomb jump that doesn't damage her, but grants horizontal recovery options.
    • Up to three bombs can be used before landing on the ground.
  • Increase falling speed unless bomb jumping.
  • Enable crawling, which turns her into her Morph Ball form, with a small hurtbox, for slow but potentially safe approaches.

Luigi: retain Mario series differences from Mario, and emphasize Luigis Mansion abilities.

  • Change Dair and Down+B:
    • Luigi Cyclone should be a Dair similar to Mario's
    • Poltergust should be his Down+B
      • Functioning similarly to Rosalina's Gravitational Pull
      • Serves as an opposite to Mario's Fludd.
  • Side+B Green Missile: add additional electric effects to the not fully charged variation, keeping in tune with the Mario And Luigi series abilities.
  • Increase jump height if it isn't already higher than Mario's.
  • Decrease ground traction if it isn't already lower than Mario's.

Doctor Mario: Emphasize the "Doctor", not the "Mario"

  • Change Side+B, where he gives out a virus that poisons over time.
  • Change Up+B to a downwards pill shot, similar to Robin's Elwind.

Jigglypuff: Change moves to fit the inspiration more

  • Side+B Rollout: No stale moves negation (in the original series, it gets more powerful the more it's used)
  • Down+B Rest: add a heal 10% effect.

edited 8th Jan '16 10:59:55 AM by wanderlustwarrior

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#83205: Nov 13th 2015 at 10:42:24 AM

They could always have Bayonetta's emergency leotard be larger (like, say, Zero Suit-size?) if they were worried about things.

That or just have her not lose any clothes. I mean, even in her own games, she only loses clothing during summons while in her default costume, so it's not without precedent.

She'd be a cool fighter, though. I wonder what weapons she'd use.

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#83206: Nov 13th 2015 at 10:47:46 AM

Paper Mario would be pretty cool, since he would have a completely different moveset based on his abilities from those games. Though there's no way half the fanbase wouldn't erupt with complaints about having another version of Mario hanging around. Then again, they'd do that anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

Bayonetta would be cool, but yeah, they'd have to tone down the sexual aspects to keep the game at T level.

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#83207: Nov 13th 2015 at 10:53:00 AM

Which wouldn't be too hard.

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#83208: Nov 13th 2015 at 11:10:07 AM

I'd personally erupt with complaints of just there being ANOTHER Mario rep (although Paper Mario, at this point, deserves the spot more than Dr. Mario does).

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#83209: Nov 13th 2015 at 11:18:06 AM

Paper Mario would be frickin' sweet. I'd certainly prefer him over Daisy and even Waluigi.

Anyway I voted for Phoenix Wright in the ballot. Though I don't think he has all that big a chance of getting in.

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#83210: Nov 13th 2015 at 11:21:39 AM

With Cloud in, all bets are off. ANY video game character could conceivably be in Smash, from Phoenix Wright to Kratos to Sans.

PrincessGwen The Wicked Witch of the West from In the U.S.A Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: If it's you, it's okay
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#83211: Nov 13th 2015 at 11:22:55 AM

Provided that they've been on a Nintendo console, at least.

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MushroomMuncher from Anonymousville, Earth Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#83212: Nov 13th 2015 at 11:23:20 AM

Most likely Paper Mario getting in would cause a group of people to whine about "It's taking too much from Sticker Star" if Paper Mario's current status in Smash 4 is anything to go by.

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#83213: Nov 13th 2015 at 11:23:41 AM

Uh, no.

Cloud has absolutely not broken the previously established rules of being originally a game character, having been on a Nintendo system, and being pretty damn iconic.

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BlitzTrain Since: Apr, 2014
#83214: Nov 13th 2015 at 11:36:27 AM

IIRC they did say during the ballot that third party was a valid option, I don't remember the phrasing though. Admittedly, it might be a little harder than if it was a Nintendo character, but not by that much unless the company hates Nintendo for some reason.

edited 13th Nov '15 11:37:10 AM by BlitzTrain

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#83215: Nov 13th 2015 at 11:44:36 AM

Yeah, Kratos ain't making it in.

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JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#83216: Nov 13th 2015 at 12:01:45 PM

Right now the criteria is basically:

1. Video Game character...

2. That people would actually buy...

3. From a company/developer that would actually let Nintendo use them.

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MushroomMuncher from Anonymousville, Earth Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#83217: Nov 13th 2015 at 12:02:07 PM

[up][up]Why would someone like Kratos anyway? He's already in Playstation All Stars.

You could win most rounds in Playstation All Stars with the strategy SQUARE SQUARE SQUARE SQUARE SQUARE SQUARE TRIANGLE SQUARE SQUARE SQUARE SQUARE SQUARE

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#83218: Nov 13th 2015 at 12:04:35 PM

[up][up] who has been on a Nintendo system and is iconic. I don't get why Cloud makes people think anything has changed there.

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#83219: Nov 13th 2015 at 12:06:05 PM

Tbh people are grasping at straws and setting themselves up for disappointment.

MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#83220: Nov 13th 2015 at 12:07:45 PM

Probably because Cloud's existence on Nintendo platforms is reaching at best. And "iconicness" isn't something you can reliably measure.

Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#83221: Nov 13th 2015 at 12:09:48 PM

He has very tangentially been on a Nintendo console, so you can say the same about grasping at straws concerning him.

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#83222: Nov 13th 2015 at 12:09:54 PM

[up][up][up][up]Because people associate characters with their debut game, not spin offs or handheld titles, unfortunately.

Remember that Snake was given the same treatment, despite having actually starred in a few Metal Gear games that were on Nintendo consoles.

edited 13th Nov '15 12:11:32 PM by Customer

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#83223: Nov 13th 2015 at 12:11:49 PM

I think saying Cloud's in because he's been on Nintendo consoles before (almost always as a cameo) is as much of a stetch as saying Wii Fit Trainer made it in because Wii Fit is a bestseller.

He's in because he's freaking Cloud Strife, and for his importance to video games as a whole. Though yeah, it IS true that he doesn't violate the "on a Nintendo console" rule technically.

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Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#83224: Nov 13th 2015 at 12:12:00 PM

Snake at least debuted on the NES, though.

Or not. But his game was ported to the NES.

edited 13th Nov '15 12:13:31 PM by Hashil

MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#83225: Nov 13th 2015 at 12:13:20 PM

No, Snake debuted on the MSX; the NES game was a bad port.


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