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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
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#82276: Nov 1st 2015 at 2:59:29 PM

It makes sense for the Miis since it's part of their character to represent whatever the player wants, but simply adding Wigglytuff and Raichu don't do anything but please the tiny portion of the fans who want them.

The "tiny" portion of fans who wanted their Fierce Deities, Koopalings, alternate gender models, etc. seem to have gotten their way just fine.

On a different note, are we seriously using the Miis as an excuse to brush aside content that people actually use on a regular basis?

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#82277: Nov 1st 2015 at 3:01:20 PM

I like Pikachu for his combos, Charizard for his strength, Mewtwo for his style, Jigglypuff for her mobility, and Greninja for his speed.

Lucario can go sit in the corner and play with his aura.

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#82278: Nov 1st 2015 at 3:05:08 PM

Lucario is too slow and too weak to be of any use, his gimmick is pretty useless seeing as most of his attacks are slow start up. He's got it bad.

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IceAnt573 Forever not amused. Since: May, 2015
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#82279: Nov 1st 2015 at 3:10:21 PM

Lucina being given a combo throw like down throw and a kill throw like up throw, but it kills 50% earlier would likely make her on equal if not better standing with Marth and you don't even need to change her sword properties.

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#82280: Nov 1st 2015 at 3:14:39 PM

Lucario is probably the third best Pokémon character competitively after Pikachu and Greninja. Good Lucario players are very scary if you can't get a stock lead.

Meanwhile there has been a lot of discussion happening on Smashboards about Jigglypuff being one of the worst characters.

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#82281: Nov 1st 2015 at 3:17:23 PM

Which is probably because Jigglypuff has like no approach.

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#82282: Nov 1st 2015 at 3:47:10 PM

Humorously I did better with Jigglypuff than Lucario in recent Conquests, but that's probably because my secondary is Kirby and they have some similar normal attacks.

I really don't know how to play Lucario, he and Megaman are pretty close to the top of my 'characters I like but don't know how to play' list

edited 1st Nov '15 3:47:46 PM by BlitzTrain

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#82283: Nov 1st 2015 at 4:00:53 PM

I forgot to mention Charizard in my Pokemon list. I find myself playing with him a lot more now that he's gotten a lot more buffs. Heck, I play with him more than Lucario.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#82284: Nov 1st 2015 at 4:02:06 PM

Raichu as a Pikachu skin, well... Raichu has a tail 3 times as long as its body, Pikachu has a tail the size of its body. Pichu had a different up smash for tail reasons, Raichu would have the same issues...

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#82285: Nov 1st 2015 at 4:05:48 PM

Just have the tail never be straight.

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#82286: Nov 1st 2015 at 4:32:54 PM

I just love playing Jigglypuff because she's so fun to troll with. One cannot simply land a Rest without cackling maniacally.

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#82287: Nov 1st 2015 at 4:39:14 PM

Raichu wouldn't work as a Pikachu costume. Raichu is twice Pikachu's size and has a much longer tail (and trying to force to make it match the hitbox would just look silly). The most I can see them doing is giving Pikachu a Raichu alternate palette.

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#82288: Nov 1st 2015 at 4:49:59 PM

Yes, but Smash Pikachu is the same size as canon Raichu. Just have Raichu's tail constantly be in a 'Z' shape.

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#82289: Nov 1st 2015 at 4:57:49 PM

[up][up][up]I'd describe it as "sadistically" more than "maniacally."

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#82290: Nov 1st 2015 at 5:04:46 PM

Or you just suck it up and immediately Rest when you respawn, like I do.

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#82291: Nov 1st 2015 at 5:13:23 PM

[up][up][up]There are Brawl mods that do things like that to avoid hitbox issues/wireless desync.

They look forced having to constantly hold a given body part in a constricted position. It wouldn't work.

The only reason the Koopalings worked was because it's the Clown Car that does all the existing. If Bowser Jr. did anything major by himself, he wouldn't've gotten those costumes. And the alt gender Vilkager and Wii Fit Trainer were modeled to work on the same skeleton as the other in the first place in their original games.

edited 1st Nov '15 5:19:08 PM by BaffleBlend

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#82292: Nov 1st 2015 at 5:17:42 PM

Raichu normally holds its tail in an 'S' shape, the cord part could still move without the tip being farther from the body than normal.

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#82293: Nov 1st 2015 at 5:21:13 PM

[up]It doesn't look natural to do it at ALL times, though. Especially with things like tail-based attacks.

And I say "doesn't" instead of "wouldn't" because Raichu over Pikachu was one of the aforementioned Brawl mods. Good model, but the tail just didn't work with the skeleton.

edited 1st Nov '15 5:22:19 PM by BaffleBlend

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#82294: Nov 1st 2015 at 5:21:43 PM

I'm trying to picture it, and the image of Raichu smacking fighters with a perma-bent tail instead of its tip just seems unnatural to me.

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#82295: Nov 1st 2015 at 5:23:07 PM

The tail is still much more fluid than Pikachu's, plus the fact that it wouldn't look right when moving about.

And this still doesn't address the fact that Raichu is twice the size of Pikachu.

Like, a Raichu coloration of Pikachu would be pretty cool, but it wouldn't work as a costume.

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#82296: Nov 1st 2015 at 5:26:51 PM

Again, size isn't a factor. Smash Pikachu is already the size of canon Raichu. Just have them the same size. Raichu could hit things with the tip of the tail while the rest is a 'U' shape. Or, you know, just give the tail its own animation, it's not like the character models line up with the hitboxes at all anyways.

BlitzTrain Since: Apr, 2014
#82297: Nov 1st 2015 at 5:27:03 PM

As much as I agree Raichu needs (lots!) more love, Raichu-skin Pikachu just doesn't feel like it would work because of how much Pikachu uses that paddle tail of his in Smash. Raichu color Pikachu I'd probably use though

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#82298: Nov 1st 2015 at 5:31:34 PM

Pikachu does need some actual alt colors, so I wouldn't mind a Raichu color alt.

My friend last year was telling me that Raichu has less moves than Pikachu, even though I was thinking making Raichu a Pikachu clone that doesn't suck.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#82299: Nov 1st 2015 at 5:31:37 PM

Raichu-pattern Pikachu is something I'd really enjoy having in Smash. Raichu and Wigglytuff trophies as well.

Raichu needs far more love that it gets, but being a Pikachu skin with a stiff awkward tail... nah.

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#82300: Nov 1st 2015 at 5:33:47 PM

Having Pikachu and Raichu be of the same size would just look extremely off.


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