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Konkfan7 Konknitive Dissonance from Roselle Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Konknitive Dissonance
#81577: Oct 17th 2015 at 4:40:34 PM

I DO expect to win with him, actually.

His Warlock Punch with super armor makes me feel safe, he has some really fluid combos, practically ALL his moves can KO, and his spike feels SO GOOD!

NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#81578: Oct 17th 2015 at 4:43:05 PM

Smash 4 is so (mostly) balanced that I honestly consider the players the ones that decide who wins or loses with a character.

I know people that's great with "worst characters" like Samus and Zelda. If you sleep on a good player with a bad character, you're in for a bad time.

Slouch Hey from Here 'n' there Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
Hey
#81579: Oct 17th 2015 at 4:44:01 PM

    Proposed Ganondorf changes 
U-Smash: Roy-like upward sword thrust with a dark magic explosion at the tip
F-Smash: Ike-like downward sword slash with a dark magic explosion at the tip
D-Smash: Slams sword blade into ground, causing a dark magic explosion on both sides

U-Tilt: Overheard sword swing
F-Tilt: The mighty kick (No change)
D-Tilt: Sword thrust along ground

N-Air: Spins twice with sword out (Same function, different animation)
U-Air: Overhead sword swing (Same function, different animation)
F-Air: Same as now but with sword for better range
B-Air: The mighty backhand (No change)
D-Air: The mighty stomp (No change)

B: Dead Man's Volley- Reflectable, non-arcing projectile (Warlock Punch is a custom)
Up B: Damaging(?) teleport (Dark Fists is a custom)
Side B: Flame Choke (No change)
Down B: Levitates briefly then lunges swordfirst (Functions identically to Wizard's Dive Kick custom but different animation)

Just a thought.

edited 17th Oct '15 4:45:20 PM by Slouch

Konkfan7 Konknitive Dissonance from Roselle Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#81581: Oct 17th 2015 at 4:53:11 PM

I'd play Ganon over Rosalina or ZSS any day, thank you.

Also, my proposed changes:

  • Punching moves (jab, Warlock Punch, fair) reflect projectiles, because Tennis Boss.
  • Full-hit aerial Wizard's Foot breaks shields (currently it leaves them with a sliver of health).
  • All side B's go through projectiles, not just Flame Chain.
  • Flame Choke is untechable.
  • Full super armor during the animation of all neutral B's.
  • Up tilt is cancellable.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Slouch Hey from Here 'n' there Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
Hey
#81582: Oct 17th 2015 at 4:54:25 PM

I like those very much, actually. Is it too much for him to be able to float, as well?

[down] *Shakes fist* Why, I oughta...

edited 17th Oct '15 4:56:58 PM by Slouch

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#81584: Oct 17th 2015 at 5:06:29 PM

His Warlock Punch with super armor makes me feel safe, he has some really fluid combos, practically ALL his moves can KO, and his spike feels SO GOOD!
It's too bad a sane opponent would never dare allow you to land any of those, and a player with even a modest degree of skill can evade them with ease. Falcon leaves himself wide open before and/or after all his attacks, too, but he's got massive speed and a passable jump, compared to Ganondorf's terrible speed and useless jumps.

Seriously, Ganondorf has almost nothing going for him, especially with the high emphasis Smash gives to mobility. He's bad on offense because he can't pin opponents down or give chase effectively and he's bad on defense because he's a relatively large target and can't recover well.

edited 17th Oct '15 5:08:43 PM by Pulse

I sure said that!
NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#81585: Oct 17th 2015 at 5:08:57 PM

Can we just say that, yes, Ganondorf sucks in most matchups. But we still like playing him? [lol]

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#81586: Oct 17th 2015 at 5:08:57 PM

He is fun as fuck to play, specially in lower level play.

Also, fuck Ganon having to have a sword. Darkness melee based character is fun as fuck, once again.

edited 17th Oct '15 5:09:46 PM by Eriorguez

NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#81587: Oct 17th 2015 at 5:10:50 PM

I actually rather Ganondorf use a fucking trident. That'd be sick as shit.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#81588: Oct 17th 2015 at 5:13:53 PM

[up][up]To which I say-

I sure said that!
TheHeroHartmut Too hot to hoot from Probably not right behind you (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Singularity
Too hot to hoot
#81589: Oct 17th 2015 at 5:15:46 PM

Did Ganondorf ever use a trident? I know Ganon did in the earlier games, but I'm not so sure about 'Dorf.

Switch FC code: SW-4420-1809-1805
NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#81590: Oct 17th 2015 at 5:16:05 PM

[up][up]Those are less swords and more glorified clubs. tongue

[up] No, the Dorf never used tridents. Just swords and magic. But I just thought it'd be cool to make him a Composite Character like how Zelda and Link are.

edited 17th Oct '15 5:16:45 PM by NoLimit

MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#81591: Oct 17th 2015 at 5:17:29 PM

Phantom Ganon used a Trident way back in Oo T.

NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#81592: Oct 17th 2015 at 5:18:13 PM

Did Phantom Ganon use a trident? I don't remember that fight too well. I just remember him coming out of paintings. [lol]

edited 17th Oct '15 5:18:25 PM by NoLimit

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#81593: Oct 17th 2015 at 5:21:01 PM

Ganon used a trident in A Link To The Past, as well. And damn, that trailer makes me wish Hyrule Warriors had come before Melee. Imagine that Ganondorf in Smash.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#81594: Oct 17th 2015 at 5:26:25 PM

Ganondorf (sadly) would've still been a clone of Falcon due to how clones are created in fighting games.

You know, they're thought up and then added as bonus characters after all the actual main roster is done.

Konkfan7 Konknitive Dissonance from Roselle Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Konknitive Dissonance
#81595: Oct 17th 2015 at 5:30:14 PM

I play against some pretty good players with Ganondorf and win.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#81596: Oct 17th 2015 at 6:09:47 PM

The evil version of the Master Sword ( The one Ghirahim is the personification of, and which Demise wields) would be far better weapon for Ganondorf than the damn Sage blade.

Still, Ganondorf going barehanded reeks of Extreme Mêlée Revenge. It also brings this to mind, and that artwork is far more badass than the Tennis Boss we got.

MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#81597: Oct 17th 2015 at 6:12:26 PM

Because Tennis bosses were never in Zelda before Ocarina of Time. Not a once.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#81598: Oct 17th 2015 at 6:14:06 PM

True, just like Dodongos get to swallow bombs. Doesn't make Oo T's Ganondorf fight any more engaging.

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#81599: Oct 17th 2015 at 7:11:57 PM

Well, it is undeniable that there's no sword move more satisfying than a chokeslam.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#81600: Oct 17th 2015 at 7:13:51 PM

I mean, no matter what, I'd still like to retain Flame Choke- That's the one actually Ganondorf-like move in the bunch right now.

I sure said that!

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