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#80752: Sep 30th 2015 at 12:17:02 AM

Judging by the description on the Pirate Ship stage, it looks like it uses music that's already in the game as well as music from Hyrule Castle 64. So I guess they broke the rule about stages not sharing music.

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CapedLuigisYoshi Some Gal from right here, duh Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#80753: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:27:49 AM

For anyone curious about music:

  • Pirate Ship's music library is entirely from existing stages (mostly from the base game, but also several of the ones from Hyrule Castle 64). Pretty much the entire selection it had in Brawl seems to be there. Can't say for certain, since I don't actually have all the unlockable music yet.

  • The Super Mario Maker stage also has mostly existing tracks from Mario stages that were already in the game (and Peach's Castle 64), but it also adds in the basic ground themes from SMB 1 and SMW, as well as a remix of the Mario Maker title. I think that's the only new remix in this round of DLC.

edited 30th Sep '15 2:06:18 AM by CapedLuigisYoshi

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IceAnt573 Forever not amused. Since: May, 2015
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#80754: Sep 30th 2015 at 1:38:32 AM

So what are the chances of getting past Melee/Brawl stages instead of just 64? I'd like to see Lucas not share Onett with Ness.

Hurray for predicting something...that's kinda likely, but it's a sort of correct guess!

Marth and Lucina's shieldbreaker was nerfed...(shield damage going from 30 to 25).

Why Sakurai...

edited 30th Sep '15 1:49:04 AM by IceAnt573

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
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#80755: Sep 30th 2015 at 4:41:36 AM

Marth and Lucina got nerfed. What the fuck.

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#80756: Sep 30th 2015 at 5:08:07 AM

I always loved the pirate ship. It was so open and airy.

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#80757: Sep 30th 2015 at 6:14:30 AM

I'm glad Pirate Ship is back. It looked a bit out of place along with Toon Link himself when portrayed in Brawl's realistic art style, so even if not much about the stage itself has changed besides the resolution, it certainly does feel more at home with the more colorful, expressive direction of Smash 4.

edited 30th Sep '15 6:15:39 AM by BurntMario

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#80758: Sep 30th 2015 at 6:16:54 AM

For some reason other than nerfing Luigi and a few outlier buffs, this patch was mainly focused on custom moves.

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#80759: Sep 30th 2015 at 6:24:04 AM

I think Sakurai saw my curb-stomping the other FE characters as a sign that Lucina needs to be nerfed, tongue.

Nah, I think he's just nerfing low-tiers for no goddamn reason, even though they need to be buffed.

Also, can this be the last Zelda stage we get? I would rather have Sector Z over Pirate Ship. I do like Pirate Ship but Zelda has enough stages in this game to begin with!

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
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#80760: Sep 30th 2015 at 6:34:08 AM

This is not one of Luigi's nerfs but it's amusing nonetheless

Anyway I think in general moves that did very high shield damage were nerfed, not just Shield Breaker but also DK's Headbutt and all get-up attacks. Charged Shield Breaker is still intact by the way.

Other moves like Pound that also do good shield damage are still the same though, so I think only the really strong ones were nerfed.

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#80761: Sep 30th 2015 at 6:55:20 AM

I can't wait to hear the whole buff/debuff list. I really hope Pikachu didn't get nerfed.

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#80762: Sep 30th 2015 at 6:57:33 AM

A Monster Hunter Mii costume pair, huh?

That may be the most fitting Mii fighter costume to not be original/generic.

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#80763: Sep 30th 2015 at 7:05:13 AM

I love the new stages.

I love the new stages.

I love the new stages.

Mario Maker has everything I love about a good stage; incredibly varied while still being semineutral enough for competitive friendlies. Having a ton of music helps it even more.

Pirate Ship was my favorite stage in Brawl. It was one of the first custom stages I remade because I missed it that much.

Duck Hunt 3DS is welcome because, not only is it free, making it 100% clear that it wasn't being intentionally held back to grab money from later, but the 3DS is seriously lacking in the neutral stages department.note 

And the revelation that stage music can be reused means that, among others, things like Yoshi's Island/Story 64, Big Blue, and Fountain of Dreams are still in the potential running.

So I'm happy.

edited 30th Sep '15 7:10:32 AM by BaffleBlend

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#80764: Sep 30th 2015 at 7:14:05 AM

Buff lists's mostly finished. Luigi's throw got nerfed, Ganon's nair got buffed, Marth's nerf practically doesn't matter. Most balancing was for customs.

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#80765: Sep 30th 2015 at 7:16:52 AM

I really like that Omega Pirate Ship is a sea platform.

[up] So Samus is still cartoonishly bad?

edited 30th Sep '15 7:17:50 AM by Pulse

I sure said that!
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#80766: Sep 30th 2015 at 7:17:31 AM

I'm pretty sure Prism Tower is legal in the 3DS version.

Speaking of which Prism Tower for Wii U pls. That's my favorite 3DS stage.

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#80767: Sep 30th 2015 at 7:25:43 AM

Fingers crossed there's at least indirect buffs for Dedede - better match-ups and such. But, you know, doubt it.

By the sounds of it, very little seems changed besides some tweaking of shield breaking attacks.

I'm pretty sure the concept of Law having limits was a translation error. -Wanderlustwarrior
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#80768: Sep 30th 2015 at 8:19:30 AM

Shieldstun was apparently increased, so many characters might have moves that are safer on shield now.

This is probably why Shield Breaker was nerfed, since now we're forced to stay in shield for longer when it's hit, an uncharged Shield Breaker could potentially be strong enough to break a shield instantly because of the little time the shield has to degenerate while we're stuck in it.

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#80769: Sep 30th 2015 at 8:50:24 AM

That's good. I always thought that shield stun was a bit ridiculous the way it had been.

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#80770: Sep 30th 2015 at 9:37:32 AM

Where can I find the change list? I want to see if my favorites (Dedede Storm, Mega Gunmen, Upper Cutter) got nerfs, and if they bothered to do anything to Spinphony.

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#80771: Sep 30th 2015 at 9:44:42 AM

So I now have all the new DLC on 3DS. It didn't cost nearly as much as I thought it would. I have to say, I find Mario Maker just a tad underwhelming. My personal favorite of this bunch are the Mii costumes. More specifically, the Swordfighter costumes. All of them are pretty cool, especially the Viridi and Ratharos outfits. Still don't even have Pirate Ship on Wii U since my Gamepad is broken.sad

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#80772: Sep 30th 2015 at 9:46:24 AM

[up][up]From my extremely subjective and uncontrolled experiences, Mega Gunman seems unchanged.

The only moves that seem to have any shifts are stuff like Mac's Guard Break and Meta Knights shield-eater variants on his specials and so on.

edited 30th Sep '15 9:47:20 AM by Pulse

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#80773: Sep 30th 2015 at 10:06:44 AM

Fan-compiled patch notes. Like Moon said, the increased shieldstun explains the nerfs to shield-breaking moves — otherwise, a hit shield could be shattered before the shielder could drop it or escape.

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#80774: Sep 30th 2015 at 11:28:11 AM

[up]So shieldstun's been increased, huh? In other words, the #1 competitive complaint about the game's been addressed?

Looks like the Melee fans gotta find something else to nitpick at now tongue

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#80775: Sep 30th 2015 at 11:55:28 AM

I was just thinking that Pirate Ship would be a good stage for Wii U. And now it's back. Funny how that works. :P

Also, to the guy who wanted to know how to upload replays, you either upload them to youtube from saving the replay or from a capture card.


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