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MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#80226: Sep 23rd 2015 at 8:32:01 PM

Have you not seen the epic saga of back-and-forth flame wars concerning the subject even after there was Word of God on the subject?

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#80227: Sep 23rd 2015 at 8:33:59 PM

[up] I was lucky enough to join the LOZ fandom in 2011, which seems like it was after fans had largely moved on from OOT.

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MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#80228: Sep 23rd 2015 at 8:56:25 PM

Such things never truly go away, they're merely suppressed and buried, forever waiting for someone to say the wrong thing, ask the wrong question, so it can boil over once again and set a fandom to seethe and fight once more.

We see it here in Smash bros. too.

WaterMasterGali92 Hello again! from Remnant Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#80229: Sep 23rd 2015 at 9:08:10 PM

I kinda figured Shiek was a chick but I wasn't sure. Those supple and slender legs were a dead giveaway.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#80230: Sep 23rd 2015 at 9:09:32 PM

Sheik is most definitively a woman. She's simply Zelda in a gender-neutral disguise. Not even a masculine disguise, Ruto just assumes she's a man.

Doesn't stop the Link/Sheik shippers from trying to justify it as Sheik being a man working for Zelda, or at least Sheik being a biologically-male transformation rather than a simple disguise, but officially Sheik is just Zelda in a ninja suit and turban.

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WaterMasterGali92 Hello again! from Remnant Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#80231: Sep 23rd 2015 at 9:10:40 PM

[up] GOOD.

Very good...

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BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#80232: Sep 23rd 2015 at 9:17:33 PM

I don't think Sakurai really wants to take anything from Project M

Other than, you know the direct Shout-Out Roy's moveset has.

Specifically, the fact that Blazer can be used horizontally now. PM Roy did it first, and the PM devs have said that they got this idea from, not anything even remotely Fire Emblem-related, but Zero in Marvel vs. Capcom 3. If you ask me, this is pretty strong evidence that Sakurai is at least aware of PM and the changes it makes to characters.

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#80233: Sep 23rd 2015 at 9:24:19 PM

[up][up][up]Makes it kind of odd when Hyrule Historia (official Nintendo Zelda history and timeline book, up to Skyward Sword), which I just got a few weeks ago, straight up says that Sheik is Zelda disguised as a male and uses male pronouns when talking about the character. I've always been under the impression that Nintendo treats the character differently depending on the series Sheik pops up in, and things like that kind of proves it.

But as far as Smash is concerned, Sheik has always been female. All of her trophies in the series made it clear, and her design in Smash and Hyrule Warriors (compared to Ocarina) made her feminine features more prominent.

Speaking of Sheik, did she even lose much from the character split? I always hear that Zelda's the one that suffered the most from the change, but that's usually said along the lines of the joke that "her best feature was turning into a better character (insert tongue emote)"...

edited 23rd Sep '15 9:25:05 PM by Customer

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#80234: Sep 23rd 2015 at 9:27:16 PM

Being similar doesn't make it a Shout-Out.

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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
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#80235: Sep 23rd 2015 at 9:36:02 PM

[up][up]Braindead catch/kill combo in Bouncing Fish along with a bonus set-up special that she could take or leave (and likely only exists because Chain was too unique).

Sooo not really.

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BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#80236: Sep 23rd 2015 at 9:37:48 PM

[up][up]I still suspect it's a bit too much to be a coincidence, though.

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#80237: Sep 23rd 2015 at 9:41:12 PM

It's always funny to see a Sheik SD because they used Burst Grenade instead of Vanish.

edited 23rd Sep '15 9:41:20 PM by FullMoon

WaterMasterGali92 Hello again! from Remnant Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#80238: Sep 23rd 2015 at 9:41:45 PM

As far as I'm concerned, with legs like that, Sheik's a very sexy ninja.

On that note, I prefer her Brawl pose to her 4 pose.

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MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#80239: Sep 23rd 2015 at 9:42:36 PM

Or, you know, somebody on the Namco dev team played Mv C 3 and pitched the concept when the idea of differentiating Roy from Marth came up.

WaterMasterGali92 Hello again! from Remnant Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#80240: Sep 23rd 2015 at 9:44:08 PM

Kinda bummed I didn't grab the Shiek Amiibo when I saw her. I haven't seen her since and that's a bad sign.

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#80241: Sep 23rd 2015 at 9:48:59 PM

Makes it kind of odd when Hyrule Historia (official Nintendo Zelda history and timeline book, up to Skyward Sword), which I just got a few weeks ago, straight up says that Sheik is Zelda disguised as a male and uses male pronouns when talking about the character.
Maybe they just respect her gender identity...! surprised

... -shuffles out of the room-

WaterMasterGali92 Hello again! from Remnant Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#80242: Sep 23rd 2015 at 9:50:24 PM

Hmm. Well. I'm saying Shiek is a female.

Men don't have legs as nice as she does.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#80243: Sep 23rd 2015 at 10:37:23 PM

Sheik, as in the identity Zelda crafted for herself, was male.

Zelda, the person wearing a disguise to look like Sheik, is not.

Zelda's name isn't actually "Sheik" either, but that doesn't stop her from acting as though that's her name, while she's in disguise.

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WaterMasterGali92 Hello again! from Remnant Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#80244: Sep 24th 2015 at 1:36:18 AM

So it turns out Shiek was a chick, bro.

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TheHeroHartmut Too hot to hoot from Probably not right behind you (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Singularity
Too hot to hoot
#80245: Sep 24th 2015 at 1:43:02 AM

Oh, dear. It's happening.

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Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
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#80246: Sep 24th 2015 at 1:50:08 AM

On the Roy thing, it's possible that Sakurai actually came up with the idea of horizontal Blazer because he wanted to differentiate Roy from Marth in Brawl, but had to scrap him at the time. It's not uncommon for people to come up with the same stuff independent of one another.

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WaterMasterGali92 Hello again! from Remnant Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#80247: Sep 24th 2015 at 1:58:17 AM

Did they actually change Roy's moves or is he still the same?

I'm talking about basic moves and smash attacks. Because in Melee he was the exact same as Marth and it pissed me off because it took me forever to unlock him.

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Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
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#80248: Sep 24th 2015 at 2:04:50 AM

[up] They did. The basic concept behind him remains the same, but they did change his moves to make him less like Marth.

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WaterMasterGali92 Hello again! from Remnant Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#80249: Sep 24th 2015 at 2:09:52 AM

Hmm..

I'm sorry...

...Was Zero Suit Samus ALWAYS this curvy?

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#80250: Sep 24th 2015 at 2:18:29 AM

Yes...She's got that Eyes.

edited 24th Sep '15 2:19:15 AM by randomness4

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