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EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#80201: Sep 23rd 2015 at 9:00:58 AM

shame and disappointment

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Geist-Fox loafing about from north Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
loafing about
#80203: Sep 23rd 2015 at 9:08:35 AM

I'm probably really terrible with everyone.

Sure I beat Classic 9.0 without losing a life but that doesn't mean a thing!

kablammin45 Catch my shiny metal birb! from Misty Brook (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Catch my shiny metal birb!
#80204: Sep 23rd 2015 at 9:30:49 AM

If I play online, I have a pretty good chance of winning if I play as Yoshi, Ness, Villager, and Bowser Jr/Koopalings. Otherwise I'm just lucky.

"I'm glad I don't wear shoes or else I'd have to always get shoes in two different sizes. ...If you know, you know!"
Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#80205: Sep 23rd 2015 at 10:14:53 AM

[up][up] Humblebrag harder tongue

So, like I said, I main Robin, and play a decent amount of Ganon and Ike, mainly for fun. So I was planning on picking up Pit because he seemed interesting and well-rounded, but after getting used to the aforementioned characters, I was kinda surprised both at his speed and his attacks' lack of impact. A dair that doesn't spike just feels wrong.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#80206: Sep 23rd 2015 at 11:30:36 AM

I main the great WAAAAH-rio, while Mr. Game and Watch and Robin are my secondaries. My tertiaries are Lugi, Browser, Joshi, Expand Dong, Gorgonflarfadoofadorf, Zoot Suit Samus, Kingsonnnn Dededoo, Combat Amphibian, Captain Falcon, Shoolk, and our boy Roy. I'd like to get better as Iek, Lucari-O's, Ducktor Mario, and Killager.

Though in reality, I main Random. Truly it is the most noble of all fighters.

edited 23rd Sep '15 11:32:00 AM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Geist-Fox loafing about from north Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
loafing about
#80207: Sep 23rd 2015 at 11:49:07 AM

I often gravitate towards Robin, Ike, Shulk and Lucario the most.

I frequently also pick Lucimaroy or however you'd mash those three names together, Falcondorf (both of them, that is) and Charizard.

Huh, didn't realize I had technically 10 characters I favor. (or 7 if you're picky about clone issues)

Is that more than the average smasher?

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#80208: Sep 23rd 2015 at 12:02:02 PM

I basically play other characters just in friendlies or casual matches.

IceAnt573 Forever not amused. Since: May, 2015
Forever not amused.
#80209: Sep 23rd 2015 at 12:42:05 PM

On the subject of changing parts of a moveset alienating fans, Pit was reworked quite a bit from Brawl to Smash 4 and I don't hear any heavy complaints about him. Zelda has a niche fanbase that likes her moveset in Smash...in which she never has been a good character.

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#80210: Sep 23rd 2015 at 12:58:29 PM

@Zelda's Lightning Legs: "She has always been a terrible character. So, let's take away the best thing she has left." That's what I've been hearing, anyway.

De Romanīs, lingua Latina gloriosa non fuī.
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#80211: Sep 23rd 2015 at 1:00:12 PM

Probably because Uprising gave Pit more to work with. SSB 4 was released before Hyrule Warriors, so it doesn't have the same reasoning for change.

The legend has returned.
Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#80212: Sep 23rd 2015 at 1:01:31 PM

[up][up][up] While it was reworked, the moveset didn't necessarily change the concept behind Pit's fighting style in Smash.

edited 23rd Sep '15 1:01:48 PM by Folt

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IceAnt573 Forever not amused. Since: May, 2015
Forever not amused.
#80213: Sep 23rd 2015 at 1:06:00 PM

I'm just saying that she doesn't need two Lightning Kicks. If Zelda had one of those replaced with a similar move like Donkey Kong's back air or Bowser's forward air in terms of range, power, etc. you'd be closer to fixing her many problems.

I'm not even sure if Zelda has a defined, playstyle that people like.

edited 23rd Sep '15 1:07:04 PM by IceAnt573

Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#80214: Sep 23rd 2015 at 2:22:41 PM

[up] Now that is something I am more agreeable with.

As far as Zelda goes, her playstyle is definitely kind of graceful, but it shines more in the kind of play that isn't of any note in competitive Smash.

In general, all the characters have playstyles that are more for dicking around with friends in FFAs, but can also be used in skillful 1-v-1 play. Some characters will inevitably suffer more from switching to the latter kind of play than the former.

Fantastic Supreme Überkaiser Emperor Folt of The Infinity and Beyond" ... "The First"!
FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#80215: Sep 23rd 2015 at 2:47:14 PM

Zelda is actually really good in teams as well.

Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#80216: Sep 23rd 2015 at 2:53:06 PM

[up] Interesting.

Basically, Zelda's moveset suffers in 1v1 more than most characters, but still has good points outside that format.

Fantastic Supreme Überkaiser Emperor Folt of The Infinity and Beyond" ... "The First"!
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#80217: Sep 23rd 2015 at 3:01:58 PM

Not that it helps her much, considering how dominant the 1-v-1 format is.

I sure said that!
FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#80218: Sep 23rd 2015 at 3:08:12 PM

Most of Zelda's specials seem designed for free-for-alls too, such as Din's, Farore's and Phantom, but she sucking at 1-on-1 eventually balances her out in that style

And the opposite was true with Sheik, which is why it's a bit of a shame that the transformation is gone

alioth Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#80219: Sep 23rd 2015 at 5:21:01 PM

If they wanted Zelda to be viable, buffing her damages like Project M did would probably put her in a very good place. I'm not a very good player, but Zelda is by far my favorite character. Teleport-attacking, lightning kicks, her neutral B and her up-A are my favorite parts of her playstyle.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#80220: Sep 23rd 2015 at 7:14:07 PM

I don't think Sakurai really wants to take anything from Project M.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#80221: Sep 23rd 2015 at 7:31:47 PM

Re: Zelda changes.

Give her her rapier from TP/HW, change up her grounded normals with it for quicker, safer attacks, and maybe make her down air the "dive at the ground and stab to make a X shockwave" move from HW.

And change her back air to, I dunno. Something good. Big magic sweep? I dunno.

I would also make her down special the Command Rod, and give it 3 variants. 1 being Phantom Slash, as it is now. 2 being owl statue, as basically a quick uppercut. 3 being hammer statue, which deals big damage and buries.

And maybe change Din's Fire to explode on contact with enemy?

I'm trying to think of a good place in her moveset to have her use a trifloorce.

edited 23rd Sep '15 7:33:41 PM by Enlong

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MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#80222: Sep 23rd 2015 at 7:41:59 PM

And thus did Zelda suddenly become accused of being another Marth clone. Yay.

WaterMasterGali92 Hello again! from Remnant Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Hello again!
#80223: Sep 23rd 2015 at 7:59:23 PM

I really hope Shiek's a chick because she has some DAMN fine legs and a nice booty to boot.

Seriously, I use her forward and up tilts just so I can see her kick.

You can't get it wrong if it's the truth!
FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#80224: Sep 23rd 2015 at 8:12:53 PM

I wonder how many people don't know that you don't have to leave online mode in order to go add someone on your friend list and that you can access the Home menu from the Records

edited 23rd Sep '15 8:13:10 PM by FullMoon

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#80225: Sep 23rd 2015 at 8:28:52 PM

[up][up] Have you played OOT yet? Just curious.

because it makes it pretty clear that Sheik is female, no matter how many fanfic writers wish she wasn't.

edited 23rd Sep '15 8:30:17 PM by LinkToTheFuture

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