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MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#79776: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:05:11 AM

We've been over the subject of mental health before. Let's not go to it again.

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#79777: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:06:46 AM

[up][up][up] I doubt it. Splatoon doesn't need a sequel until the next console comes out and higher specs would be preferable.

Splatoon isn't COD. Splatoon has free DLC almost every other week, filled with new weapons, modes, and maps. Oh, and it's free.

edited 11th Sep '15 10:06:52 AM by EpicBleye

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#79778: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:07:14 AM

I'm pretty sure the Wii's servers shut down because the server provider went under. They'd probably still be around otherwise.

BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
Hey there! Having fun?
#79779: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:08:53 AM

[up]I thought it was to save the maintenance cost of a service that less and less people were using by the day, like what they did last month with TVii.

[up]x4: No. No it's not. It's toxic thinking (literally; as in it drains my physical health as well) and has ruined more pastimes for me than I can count. I wish I knew how to fix it, but I don't.

edited 11th Sep '15 10:11:00 AM by BaffleBlend

"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#79780: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:09:30 AM

[up][up]I don't think they went under, I think the way Nintendo was doing the servers made it too expensive to maintain in the long run.

Nintendo changed the way they do their game servers now, so it's cheaper to maintain.

Or maybe it's what you said, I dunno.

edited 11th Sep '15 10:09:41 AM by EpicBleye

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#79781: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:11:36 AM

According to this wiki:

Mis-blamed: Nintendo (including Iwata) was not responsible for their Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection shutting down in late May 2014. Game Spy was bought out by Ziff-Davis who later sold off the part of Game Spy that was responsible for running multiplayer servers for many games (including Nintendo's NWFC). Glu Mobile bought this key part and they shut down all of Game Spy's legacy servers with the final servers going off-line in mid-2014. This was because Glu Mobile wanted to use the servers for Glu Mobile's own properties.

BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
Hey there! Having fun?
#79782: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:13:55 AM

[up]GameSpy, huh? Been a while since I heard that name. Last time I saw them, they were making Windows 98 programs.

I was never blaming Nintendo for it myself; in fact, I thought that what I thought they were doing was a pretty reasonable business decision. Servers DO use a lot of power.

"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#79783: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:23:00 AM

You've made it clear various times in the past that you'll automatically dismiss everything I say because I'm the one saying it, so you, I'm ignoring.


Nah, not really.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#79784: Sep 11th 2015 at 11:44:45 AM

As an aside- Splatoon's servers actually barely do anything. The game itself is handled through peer-to-peer networking, which is why it gets unstable as hell if someone is playing with a potato-powered connection.

I sure said that!
FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#79785: Sep 11th 2015 at 12:00:54 PM

There's so much wrong with this, this is part of the reason I don't like ZeRo

edited 11th Sep '15 12:01:16 PM by FullMoon

Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#79786: Sep 11th 2015 at 12:20:02 PM

I've seen people complain about his analyses every time he releases one, so I never got the impression that he's a great source on this sort of thing. Not helping matters are people saying that he's gotten predictable with his videos as of late.

What did he say that you don't agree with, anyway?

edited 11th Sep '15 12:27:23 PM by Customer

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#79787: Sep 11th 2015 at 12:32:33 PM

He flat-out says Greninja is not that fast when he's actually tied for most mobile character in the game with ZSS

He said Hydro Pump is not good after the nerf

He says he doesn't have a good recovery.

... Basically everything he says is wrong.

And he even says that Greninja "shouldn't win" and is "not that good" and says that he's bottom of high tier anyway.

Wtf.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#79788: Sep 11th 2015 at 12:51:18 PM

I'm sorry, but aren't most of the things that Greninja is viewed as having "Bad" matchups against considered to be GOD EMPEROR OF MANKIND tier powerhouses?

Like Zamus?

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#79789: Sep 11th 2015 at 12:56:52 PM

Greninja only struggles with Sheik (like everyone else) and has slight problems with Fox and Sonic.

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#79790: Sep 11th 2015 at 1:12:52 PM

Yeah, I stopped putting much stock in Zero's videos after his Robin video. Just because he's the best at winning tournaments using the best characters doesn't mean he's an authority on what the entire cast can or can't do.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#79791: Sep 11th 2015 at 1:30:10 PM

In better news, i managed to get myself a Bowser Jr. Amiibo and Dr. Mario Amiibo!

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#79792: Sep 11th 2015 at 1:42:28 PM

I'm hoping I can nab Ganondorf. If not then maybe I'll see if I can find Olimar or the Retro characters. I'm most interested in Ganondorf.

...And holy Jesus, what did I start when I asked one question? EVERY fandom has its bad apples. That doesn't mean the whole fandom is like that.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#79793: Sep 11th 2015 at 1:47:51 PM

I'm really hoping for Ganondorf to appear near me, i couldn't find him anywhere.

edited 11th Sep '15 1:48:13 PM by EpicBleye

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#79794: Sep 11th 2015 at 1:58:17 PM

You'll find opinions like Ze Ro's in pretty much all Smash players. There's no clear consensus on who/what is good except for the very top or very bottom.

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#79795: Sep 11th 2015 at 2:04:03 PM

The problem is less one of opinion and more like spreading false information around.

Like ESAM's somewhat recent bottom tier he placed Zelda there because of moves that don't connect (they do now) and Nayru's Love losing it's invencibility (it didn't)

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#79796: Sep 11th 2015 at 2:07:10 PM

[up]Was that list made before the update? The updates can change around tier lists which is why Smash Wiki so far doesn't have a solid tier list posted yet.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#79797: Sep 11th 2015 at 2:13:59 PM

Greninja doesn't have that one thing makes him super stand out from the cast. He doesn't have that super-crazy kill-throw like Ness, he doesn't have that super-crazy neutral like Sheik, he doesn't have that amazing ability to move around on the ground and kinda wave in and out super-quick like Fox, he doesn't have that amazing recovery like Kirby or Jigglypuff... he has a lot of diversity in his gameplay, but his tools, while requiring a lot of understanding and knowledge, they're not actually that effective

So Jack of All Stats. Not seeing much reason to take this that personally.

edited 11th Sep '15 2:24:10 PM by Demonfly

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#79798: Sep 11th 2015 at 2:26:08 PM

So like 90% of the cast is a Jack of All Stats, especially if you begin comparing them to Sheik.

Nobody has a kill throw as good as Ness's

Nobody has a neutral game as good as Sheik

And hell if Greninja can't move around quickly then I think nobody else can.

Greninja is one of the few characters that has a reliable kill throw in the first place, he's tied with ZSS for best overall mobility while also being a middleweight.

None of that says Jack of All Stats to me.

Also being the only character capable of ruining the recovery of many characters considering otherwise ungimpable such as MK, Sheik and Pikachu sure looks like something that would make him stand-out.

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#79799: Sep 11th 2015 at 2:46:36 PM

Also being the only character capable of ruining the recovery of many characters considering otherwise ungimpable such as MK, Sheik and Pikachu sure looks like something that would make him stand-out.

Preeeeetty sure that I've gimped all three of those on quite a few occasions, actually. With a mid-tier. That Greninja supposedly reigns over. Which I highly doubt you would have the slightest objection to.

Sadly, however, these are high-tiers that Froggy is being compared with, and would the speaker be incorrect about his lack of a niche, I'm reasonably certain he wouldn't be consistently ranking under them in every other tier list including yours.

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#79800: Sep 11th 2015 at 3:22:54 PM

The only character Greninja really reigns over is Jigglypuff and maybe Ganondorf both of which are considered low tier.

Also just because you did it on a few occasions doesn't go against what I said. If I two-stock some random Sheiks it doesn't mean Greninja wins the MU.

Again, I don't care about what placement Zero gave Greninja, the issue I have is that the reason behind it is iffy at best.

edited 11th Sep '15 3:23:32 PM by FullMoon


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