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BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#79751: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:38:57 AM

[up]x1, x3, x4, and x6: Since you're apparently unable to read embedded notes;

I acknowledge that there are good games in the canon. Most of this ire is directly aimed at things like Scram Kitty and Bit.Trip Runner 2, both of which I have played and concluded that they were both just lazy, blatant cash grabs that show exactly the direction things are headed with them. Not to mention all the crossovers. Why do I keep calling them a "canon"? Because whenever one appears, so does the rest. Don't believe me? Just look at Retro City Rampage and Runbow. It's become a tight-knit circle; i.e. THE EXACT FUCKING OPPOSITE OF "INDEPENDENT".

edited 11th Sep '15 9:39:34 AM by BaffleBlend

"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#79752: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:39:08 AM

Read his note in the post, guys. He edited explaining which he meant.

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IceAnt573 Forever not amused. Since: May, 2015
Forever not amused.
#79753: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:42:12 AM

I think I would give the go ahead for the Inklings to be Smash 4 DLC. Some may say save them for Smash 5, but you know who else can be in Smash 5? Octolings. I have no doubt by the time Smash 5 rolls around, Splatoon would be big and popular enough to warrant more than one character. There's plenty of weapons, sub-weapons, and specials in Splatoon to make like 5 characters.

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
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#79754: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:42:44 AM

Sorry, Enlong, I meant him, not you. And congrats on putting in arguments after the fact, Blend, but they're still shitty. That there are bad indie games doesn't mean games are bad for being indie.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#79755: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:43:15 AM

At the very least, he has a point about Meat Boy: No offensive moves in his home game, and a One-Hit-Point Wonder at that. If he COULD Smash with the rest of them it wouldn't feel very much like him.

Shantae and Shovel Knight are a bit trickier, and really those two are the only ones I regularly see mentioned together, or indeed, mentioned as even characters people would like to have in Smash.

I think Beck would be cool, but I know he'd just be a Mega Man Palette Swap

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#79756: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:43:36 AM

Sorry, should have read the note better.

but what ninety said.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
BlitzTrain Since: Apr, 2014
#79757: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:43:44 AM

And I found Shovel Knight to be a fun and humorous platformer and think Indie game help keep the gaming scene fresher since they can try unusual things without bankrupting huge companies if it doesn't work out.


And I didn't see the note on my phone screen until now. Yeah I know not every Indy game is awesome, but no need to hate on the good ones getting recognized because the other 90% are bad

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#79758: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:44:53 AM

I don't think any of the indie developers said their character deserve a spot. They probably saw that their fanbase was voting for their characters and just encouraged it. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#79759: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:45:16 AM

[up]x6: There's just one problem. Due to the "absolutely everything is online-based" nature of Splatoon (and by that, I mean, well... Various reviews I've seen at release before the first content pack has complained about how barebones the on-disk stuff is.) it will be completely unplayable by the time Smash 5 comes.

[up]x5: You've made it clear various times in the past that you'll automatically dismiss everything I say because I'm the one saying it, so you, I'm ignoring.

[up]x3: And again I bring up my problem with Runbow; even the good ones are sullying their hands by joining forces with the They Just Didn't Care squad. Now I can't help but associate the good ones with the bad ones as well.

edited 11th Sep '15 9:48:17 AM by BaffleBlend

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IceAnt573 Forever not amused. Since: May, 2015
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#79760: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:49:42 AM

[up]This is assuming Splatoon is a one-time thing. Even the devs are saying they want to grow Splatoon as an IP.

Edit: Huh broken link.

edited 11th Sep '15 9:55:05 AM by IceAnt573

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#79761: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:51:41 AM

[up][up]I fail to see how on earth Splatoon could ever become completely unplayable.

Also, just because a lot of indie games are bad doesn't mean all of them are.

If you played Shovel Knight or any of the Shantae games you'd know this.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
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#79762: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:53:03 AM

[up]Notice how I potholed Lost Forever? Nearly all of the game's content is online/through updates, and the game's servers will eventually shut down just like the Wii's did.

And read the first sentence of the note. And the third point of my previous post.

edited 11th Sep '15 9:53:46 AM by BaffleBlend

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IceAnt573 Forever not amused. Since: May, 2015
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#79763: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:56:35 AM

I fail to see how this stops Splatoon from having a sequel before Smash 5 is in development when all signs point towards it.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#79764: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:56:43 AM

Yeah, any online game will one day be lost. Hopefully the IP continues.

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EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#79765: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:57:35 AM

[up][up][up]I see what you wrote there, but you're still saying that indie games = bad and dismissing the good ones because they might join up with games that you have a bad view on.

Also, the Wii's servers and the Wii U's servers are completely different. Splatoon servers will only get shut down in a very very long time from now.

edited 11th Sep '15 9:58:19 AM by EpicBleye

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#79766: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:57:59 AM

[up][up][up]Yeah, a sequel's possible. But the first game in the series being erased may still present problems.

[up]Not "might". "Have".

By doing so many cooperative projects with each other, they've made it clear that they all support everyone else in the canon, which is why I insist on calling it a canon.

Shovel Knight is in the same universe as Scram Kitty, and that's not something I can ignore.

edited 11th Sep '15 9:59:52 AM by BaffleBlend

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Daydre That's just how it is on this bitch of an earth from in my house Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#79767: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:58:16 AM

That's still going on the assumption that Splatoon is a one time deal, and that there won't be another installment. Whoops, various people got to it before me.

And how would that present problems? If there's another game by then, (which is probable) wouldn't it still be relevant?

edited 11th Sep '15 10:00:36 AM by Daydre

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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
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#79768: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:58:27 AM

Due to the "absolutely everything is online-based" nature of Splatoon (and by that, I mean, well... Various reviews I've seen at release before the first content pack has complained about how barebones the on-disk stuff is.) it will be completely unplayable by the time Smash 5 comes.

>Hugely successful new shooter IP won't have some kind of continuation by the time of the next mid-generation crossover fighter

In any case, none of us have any reason to believe that they're anywhere near as unconfident in their online service as their last attempt to shut it down anytime soon, and that isn't even relevant to their chances of being represented since the base game is clearly still there.

And again I bring up my problem with Runbow

Good thing nobody here is advocating for Runbow then.

Now I can't help but associate the good ones with the bad ones as well.

Notice how this mentality isn't working as an argument.

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#79769: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:59:17 AM

Your point still boils down to "There are bad indie games ergo I don't want indie representation in my Smash" which is just really close minded.

MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#79770: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:59:32 AM

I feel I should point out that Shantae's not in Runbow to start. Also the fact that it was Nintendo themselves that brokered the deals for the crossover for Runbow.

As for them being tight-knit... yeah, because there's a lot of crossover in the fandom. The indie scene used to be very small, and has only recently exploded as the concepts of Non-AAA games fell to the wayside. Also, "independent developer" refers to them not having a larger company publish the game, not being some kind of lone wolf.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#79771: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:59:34 AM

We're going in circles here. Everyone's entrenched in their positions.

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#79772: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:01:04 AM

yeah but we can still shoot at each other and clearly this is the most fun thing for everyone

edited 11th Sep '15 10:01:16 AM by EpicBleye

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#79773: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:03:00 AM

It's probably mainly the whole "Put my OC in the roster!" thing that got me dominoing into this. Things tend to do that. And as Full Moon pointed out, that may not even be what they meant (though I personally disagree there).

Like I used to be a competitive Melee supporter, but once I started seeing flaws, I begun hating everything Melee-related at a mere mention, even the things I actually liked about it. That's how my mind works; one bad apple turns the whole bushel into dust.

edited 11th Sep '15 10:06:20 AM by BaffleBlend

"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
IceAnt573 Forever not amused. Since: May, 2015
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#79774: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:03:51 AM

I wonder how frequent Splatoon's sequels would be. Fire Emblem is able to fit around 3-4 games in each Smash cycle (Melee to Brawl had FE 6-10, Brawl to Smash 4 had 11-13). Maybe Splatoon 3 might be out by the time Smash 5 is announced.

Might be getting too speculative now, but I still see it as highly likely Splatoon would continue and grow to be popular to have more than one character.

edited 11th Sep '15 10:04:33 AM by IceAnt573

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#79775: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:04:05 AM

[up]x2 I know this probably isn't helping, but that doesn't seem like a healthy mentality to have...

edited 11th Sep '15 10:04:22 AM by Daydre

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