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TheHeroHartmut Too hot to hoot from Probably not right behind you (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Singularity
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#79626: Sep 8th 2015 at 3:00:58 PM

Kirby's and Dedede's Up-B moves both spike on the way down. So can Ganondorf's Down-B at the start of the move.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#79627: Sep 8th 2015 at 3:04:32 PM

Dedede's Up-B, Donkey Kong's Side-B and Down-B, and Zero Suit Samus's Down-B can all meteor smash as well.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
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#79628: Sep 8th 2015 at 3:05:10 PM

I don't think Lucario has any moves that spike/meteor. sad

His d-air knocks people forward without any logic.

Rivux same old me from [a jump to the sky turns to a rider kick] Since: Aug, 2010
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#79629: Sep 8th 2015 at 3:18:07 PM

@Full Moon: i-it does?

i... whyyyyyyyy

"I'll spike the enemy so long as they stand on the floor! What? Spike them out of the air? That's stupid, then it'll be just like Captain Falcon's."

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#79630: Sep 8th 2015 at 3:26:47 PM

[up][up][up] And Donkey Kong's F-air.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#79631: Sep 8th 2015 at 3:47:57 PM

A tipper on the downward variation of the third hit of Marth's Dancing Blade is also a spike, if I remember right.

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Hungryguy I am a Rad Reptile. from inside a cheese wheel Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#79632: Sep 8th 2015 at 3:50:51 PM

If Ganondorf gets the stun with his Final Smash but doesn't hit with the actual attack, it's a spike.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#79633: Sep 8th 2015 at 4:18:06 PM

Okay, if Young Link and Toon Link can be in Hyrule Warriors together, what's stopping them from the next Smash?

Also, Impa, because that's long overdue.

edited 8th Sep '15 4:18:57 PM by Rinsankajugin

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#79634: Sep 8th 2015 at 4:22:30 PM

Especially since we've got an overtly badass warrior Impa now instead of a shriveled old lady or an implicit but unseen badass warrior.

Considering how the Hyrule Warriors "core" cast are meant to be relatively general versions of the characters, I'd be on-board with Scarf Link, Armor Zelda and Mane Ganondorf becoming the standard look in Smash.

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strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#79635: Sep 8th 2015 at 4:44:09 PM

WFT has three. Dair, Header's headbutt(not the ball), and Fair.

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#79636: Sep 8th 2015 at 7:28:37 PM

I've got a little tale here:

I was at the house of a friend of the family. There are two boys (elementary school aged) there and we played some Wii games, one of which was Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games. I actually did sing the first verse of the DK Rap and the boys laughed having no idea what the fuck I was singing .

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#79637: Sep 8th 2015 at 8:15:46 PM

Ideas for new and renewed Zelda characters based on Hyrule Warriors.

Link: Eh, he's solid. Maybe replace Triforce Slash with the Skyward Strike Spin Attack thing from HW, with some Triforce glowiness, or something.

Zelda: Swap out her magic palm strikes with her rapier. Would improve her melee range, which is good for a keepaway sort of character. Swap Phantom Slash with Command Rod. It would have 3 customs, like all moves. The first is exactly like Phantom Slash currently is. Swing the rod, summon a Phantom, cut the enemy. Variant 2 would be Owl Statue. The thing would pop out of the ground in front of Zelda, launching enemies upward. Variant 3 would be Hammer Statue. That one swings downward, burying any poor enemies who get caught.

Sheik: Replace one of her moves (I'm thinking perhaps Bouncing Fish?) with Goddess Harp. A move where Sheik plays the harp for about a second, and places an effect on the field. Standard move would be Nocturne of Shadow; places a seal on the floor that does damage and creates a suction effect towards its center if stepped on. Variant 2: Bolero of Fire; creates a seal on the floor that automatically explodes into fire after about a second of chargeup. Mostly useful for edgeguarding or denying approaches. Variant 3: Song of Storms; a non-flinch-causing hurtbox surrounds Sheik for a few seconds. Can't move foes, but will damage them. Like a melee Fox's Blaster. Swap her Final Smash to Minuet of Forest. Anyone close to Sheik when the move is activated is trapped into the move, which has Sheik play a magic song which causes a small copse of trees to instantly sprout up around her, launching everyone into the sky.

Ganondorf: Change his costume. Oh, and make him a bit faster. And add a projectile variant of Warlock Punch where he's punching a big ball of dark magic, shattering it into bullets. And maybe add some sort of unique mechanic to his weird bomb kick. Maybe based on his dark meter in HW. Like, you build up a meter similar to Little Mac's by landing moves like Wizard Foot or Flame Choke, which powers up the explosion kick's radius and power. And at full charge, it gives you hella super armor. Though you can still get grabbed. And maybe change it from a weird kick to his classic earthshattering punch.

Toon Link: Whatever HW does to him, I guess. I'm sort of hoping he'll be wielding trains.

Young Link: Either give him a 3-form Pokemon Trainer-ish setup with the Deku, Goron, and Zora masks, or (if you still can't do transformations), give him a melee combo setup similar to Hyrule Warriors, with him wielding a large-for-him blade in two hands and primarily making use of good old Sword Beams. Fierce Deity Mask would be his final smash, possibly as a Wario Man-style massive power up. I'm tempted to give him some sort of weird mechanic based on the HW incarnation which would allow him to trigger his own Final Smash sans Smash Ball under extreme circumstances, but that just sounds insane in the context of Smash.

Impa: Wielding both the Giant Blade and Naginata for a moveset with long reach and acrobatic movements. I'm thinking:

B: Flame Wall: A spin of the naginata that drops a flame pillar in front of Sheik, deterring approach.
Side B: Focus Slash: Similar to the Giant Blade's special move in HW. A charged dashing slash, similar to Ike's Critical.
Down B: Blade Counter: This space intentionally left blank
Up B: Corkscrew rise: A twisting leap upward, with sword in hand. Can be followed up with a downward spin.
Final Smash: Execution Ritual: A big old ring of naginata-shaped flames appears in front of Impa, and causes a suction effect to its center, before slamming down for massive damage.

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strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#79638: Sep 8th 2015 at 8:30:15 PM

I don't see Sheik losing the bouncing fish. Maybe the Grenade though.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#79639: Sep 8th 2015 at 8:35:48 PM

Maybe revamp the needles into her kunai, too.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#79640: Sep 8th 2015 at 9:02:25 PM

The only real MOVESET changes I'd bring in from HW would be giving Sheik some kunai for her A attacks, and replacing her redundant Final Smash with the harp's Special Attack.

And perhaps draw from Ganondorf's animations, but that would imply changing Ganondorf's moveset to use swords in the first place.

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#79641: Sep 8th 2015 at 9:12:03 PM

[up]This, regarding Sheik. She's pretty much great and unique as is, except I agree that her Final Smash is redundant.

I'd also add Impa, as I mentioned on my wishlist, but I think that might be the only LOZ character I'd add. I like the rod change for Zelda's Down+B. While I'd like her to have her rapier, that's too many swords going around, and I like her as a mage; I just think her throws and Dair need to be actual kill moves. As for Ganondorf...

Having thought on it, Ganondorf has undergone Luigification a little so far, that only a couple more changes may finish it off.

  • Add his Hyrule Warriors swords to his standard model, keeping most of his A moves the same, except with an extended hitbox on what were formerly punches.
  • Change his Up+B into a rising vacuum charge, then burst of dark energy, resembling Mewtwo's Nair, and keeping the vacuum property from his up tilt.
Change his Neutral+B so that he's constantly keeping his arm straight out, and instead of charging a punch, he charges a magical explosion. After it is initiated, this can be angled upwards or downwards diagonally, like forward smashes and tilts.

edited 8th Sep '15 9:12:39 PM by wanderlustwarrior

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#79642: Sep 8th 2015 at 9:38:01 PM

For Ganondorf, I propose changing a few of his tilts and smashes (Probably the D-tilt, U-tilt, U-smash, and F-smash) to use his sword rather than hands and feet. The general properties of the moves can stay the same aside from slightly increased range, though.

For his Specials, I suggest replacing the Warlock Punch with Dead Man's Volley, as many people suggest, and making his Up Special less like Falcon Dive and more of its own unique thing. Maybe have him rise up and then do an earthquake punch, but like with Dedede's you can cancel the downward punch?

As for other LOZ characters, I can see Impa working; she's been in more than one game and has moveset potential thanks to HW. I can also see Lana working because she has tremendous moveset potential, but she only has one game under her belt and it's a spinoff, so...

edited 8th Sep '15 9:38:34 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#79643: Sep 8th 2015 at 10:06:48 PM

Ryunii: So who's the best Greninja so far, that actually plays?

Liberation: I dunno really the thing with greninja is the closest we have to a top player live in Japan

Liberation:there's also Fullmoon, who has made a name for himself as an online warrior

Full Moon: aMSa and Some are probably the best ones

Full Moon: Also I made a name for myself? lol

Liberation: I actually hear your name get tossed around a lot.

Seriously, how is this happening tongue

strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#79644: Sep 8th 2015 at 10:12:37 PM

Aside from aMSa, you're the only competitive level Greninja player I know of. Meanwhile, almost all of the ROB mains left for other characters. :P

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#79645: Sep 8th 2015 at 10:13:41 PM

Oh, I guess Dead Man's Volley is kinda like what I was describing, only a projectile.

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#79646: Sep 8th 2015 at 10:17:18 PM

ROB has Mister Eric and HolyNightmare I believe, though the latter doesn't show up often.

Greninja currently has aMSa, Some and NinjaLink playing him at least.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#79647: Sep 8th 2015 at 10:17:40 PM

[up][up][up]It's okay.

R.O.B. is used to being alone.

...

edited 8th Sep '15 10:18:11 PM by Pulse

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strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#79648: Sep 8th 2015 at 10:35:21 PM

Could be worse, I suppose. WFT pretty much only has TK Breezy, I think. Unless he switched. Either way, I think he does more tournament commentating than actual play.

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#79649: Sep 8th 2015 at 10:37:18 PM

WFT also has JohnNumbers

Smashboards has a list of notable players and their mains.

strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#79650: Sep 8th 2015 at 10:42:44 PM

He mains WFT? Huh. Guess I just figured he maimed Shulk because of NWC.


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