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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#79202: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:03:33 PM

I think I can guess a few:

  • King Dedede
  • Zelda
  • Charizard
  • Falco
  • Mii Swordfighter
  • Palutena
  • Samus

These ones I remember being low tier in Sm4sh. At least for Americans in Dedede's case.

Marth and Lucina have also gotten buffed since the initial release.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#79203: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:07:56 PM

Mario has Ally

Hasn't M2K also been playing him?

[up]x4 Not that bizarre considering how often the balancing itself is being altered.

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#79204: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:09:15 PM

Charizard started to rise once people realiced how to play it (as a punishing character), so, yeah, time will do it.

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#79205: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:13:51 PM

[up][up] He's focusing more on DK right now I believe.

Anyway the characters I think are unviable are Zelda, Palutena, Mewtwo, Dr.Mario, Jigglypuff, Ganondorf, Bowser, Bowser Jr, Samus, Dedede and Little Mac, in no particular order.

Even then I have my doubts about Bowser Jr, Dr.Mario and Palutena.

Dishonorable mention would probably be Lucas.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#79206: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:16:42 PM

I'm content to just eat stuff as Wario, whether he's high tier or low tier.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#79207: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:23:46 PM

Yeah, the issue with Lucina is that differences gave her, at best, the implicit role of "close-range Marth". And then Roy came along and reclaimed his explicit role of "close-range Marth". And now Lucina has no home.

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TechPowah Just a simple hero from the room down the hall Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Just a simple hero
#79208: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:25:21 PM

Not that she did anyway, considering what Grima did to her Ylisse.

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Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#79209: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:45:32 PM

Little Mac? I think he's a tad underrated (following his overrated-ness in the early days).

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#79210: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:48:40 PM

Little Mac is a Game-Breaker on Omega Forms/For Glory due to his weakness hardly becoming a factor.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#79211: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:50:09 PM

I don't know about you, but I still see two big-ass problems for good ol' Mac in Omega stages.

edited 2nd Sep '15 2:50:32 PM by Elbruno

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#79212: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:51:05 PM

Not really, though? His reach is very poor and his best attacks often leave him wide open before or after they're thrown.

I sure said that!
Hungryguy I am a Rad Reptile. from inside a cheese wheel Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
I am a Rad Reptile.
#79213: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:57:26 PM

Wow. I play a lot of the characters in that list.

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HeavyDDR Who's Vergo-san. from Central Texas Since: Jul, 2009
Who's Vergo-san.
#79214: Sep 2nd 2015 at 2:58:31 PM

Little Mac dominates low level play because For Glory gives him big advantages: Omega is the best stage for Little Mac to freely run around in without worrying about the chase, and two-stock play in general favors him greatly if he can get the first kill (not too difficult in and of itself) and get his KO Punch. His speed and power also can make the difference if lag is in effect.

Little Mac is basically the mini-boss of For Glory though. After beating him a few times, you'll eventually learn his major weaknesses and how to exploit them. That said, the good Little Macs out there are still good, and you should still watch out for them.

I still think it's ridiculous people call Dedede unusable, considering more and more people are obviously making use of him. In fact I've rarely seen a Dedede in tournaments get knocked out early. I think Dedede's worst factor against him is that Sheiks and Diddy Kongs are so rampant, and those are just poor match-ups. Against just about anyone else, it's still pretty leveled.

But whatever I'll just be salty about that forever until a big name starts using him I guess.

I'm pretty sure the concept of Law having limits was a translation error. -Wanderlustwarrior
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#79215: Sep 2nd 2015 at 3:02:46 PM

Just throw him off the side. Bam.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#79216: Sep 2nd 2015 at 3:12:15 PM

Dedede's worst MU is Megaman and that one is almost unwinnable.

Also against Little Mac just choose a stage with high platforms,get the lead and you can time him out easily because he has no safe approach.

Plus he gets wrecked hard offstage

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#79217: Sep 2nd 2015 at 3:18:07 PM

[up][up][up] Case in point, I fairly recently played against a Dedede player online and by the end of the match I had had to restrain myself from either biting or tossing my 2DS several times.

edited 2nd Sep '15 3:19:05 PM by kablammin45

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HeavyDDR Who's Vergo-san. from Central Texas Since: Jul, 2009
Who's Vergo-san.
#79218: Sep 2nd 2015 at 3:23:41 PM

Is Megaman really that poor of a match-up? I've never had problems with him, but I also rarely see a Megaman. I'd imagine he has a worse match-up with Villager at the very least. Pretty much any character that can throw pebbles will give him trouble.

I'm pretty sure the concept of Law having limits was a translation error. -Wanderlustwarrior
IceAnt573 Forever not amused. Since: May, 2015
Forever not amused.
#79219: Sep 2nd 2015 at 3:29:50 PM

Isn't one (maybe 2?) of the Mii characters considered unviable if customs are turned off? Mii Gunner?

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#79220: Sep 2nd 2015 at 3:30:18 PM

The problem with Dedede is who does he even beat?

Most characters either combo him to death (Mario, Luigi, ZSS, Pikachu, Meta Knight, Falcon), camp him out (Megaman, Villager) or both (Sheik, Greninja, Rosalina) and he can do very little about it

I just listed most of the commonly accepted top/high tiers of the game, if he loses to so many he just can't compete against a top player that knows how to fight him and uses one of said characters.

edited 2nd Sep '15 3:35:27 PM by FullMoon

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#79221: Sep 2nd 2015 at 3:31:20 PM

[up][up]Mii Swordfighter is the worst in tier lists.

[up] Who is "Meta Knight Falcon"?

edited 2nd Sep '15 3:34:41 PM by powerpuffbats

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
IceAnt573 Forever not amused. Since: May, 2015
Forever not amused.
#79222: Sep 2nd 2015 at 3:33:17 PM

Didn't Mii Swordfighter get an infinite? Or is Chakram not part of the default moveset? Shows how much I know about the Mii fighters...

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#79223: Sep 2nd 2015 at 3:36:38 PM

[up][up] Hush, I'm on my phone.

Also the Mii infinite is not a true infinite and Miis themselves are kinda in limbo right now.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#79224: Sep 2nd 2015 at 3:38:06 PM

Mii Swordfighter's All-1 list is Gale Slash, Blade Launcher, Spin Slash and Blade counter, if I recall correctly. That's a messy hodge-podge of specials.

I sure said that!
Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#79225: Sep 2nd 2015 at 3:38:56 PM

Hey, Moon. What do you think about customs?

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