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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#78651: Aug 23rd 2015 at 4:47:36 PM

Hey, if Capcom was able to use Phoenix Wright in Marvel vs. Capcom 3, I don't see why Sora can't use Layton.

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#78652: Aug 23rd 2015 at 4:49:03 PM

...Because it was Marvel Vs Capcom, and Wright is owned by Capcom?

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#78653: Aug 23rd 2015 at 4:49:18 PM

It's not an issue of "can it be done", it's a question of "is it worth it?"

There's red tape involved in any character not owned by Nintendo being included- Hell, there's some with characters who are owned by Nintendo, like the Pokemon.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#78654: Aug 23rd 2015 at 5:00:08 PM

[up][up]I was actually referring to Layton's suitability as a fighter, since he's a detective who occasionally gets into fistfights. Which is pretty close to describing Phoenix.

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#78655: Aug 23rd 2015 at 5:08:41 PM

Swordfights. He's a gentleman.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#78656: Aug 23rd 2015 at 5:14:55 PM

Also vaguely of note- Phoenix Wright, in MvC, doesn't throw punches or anything- All his attacks are him somehow causing damage by showing documents or scrounging for clues on the ground and so on. The closest he gets is lobbing swarming streams of energy-charged documentation in Turnabout Mode and shoving his opponent behind a witness stand to give a(n unfortunately generic) rebuttal to them so as to knock them out in trademark fashion.

And calling in Maya and his nightmare of the judge for certain attacks, I guess.

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TechPowah Just a simple hero from the room down the hall Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Just a simple hero
#78657: Aug 23rd 2015 at 5:27:47 PM

<Spoiler tagged just in case. tongue>

There's also the fact that it was intentional to make Phoenix like that, as part of the point was that he "fought" without throwing any actual punches, since Ace Attorney doesn't actually have physical fights shown on screen outside of flashbacks.

Professor Layton is a touch more serious than Ace Attorney on its conflicts, even if only the tiniest amount so, and Layton himself doesn't necessarily have that to fall on, having been in actual fights in his series. Of course, Villager and WFT already allow non-action attack moves, maybe he can adopt a few involving his adventures and puzzles in addition to his actual combat prowess as a fencer.

[up] There's also Missile running into opponents as Phoenix's throws and as an assist move.

edited 23rd Aug '15 5:29:15 PM by TechPowah

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#78658: Aug 23rd 2015 at 5:31:45 PM

wild mass guessLayton's Final Smash is him throwing a giant chocolate bar with seemingly unimportant bite marks on it.wild mass guess

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LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#78659: Aug 23rd 2015 at 5:41:54 PM

With Marth I've found that F-air->F-smash KO's around 45-55% if the smash tips, which isn't all that hard. I'll probably test it out online when I get the chance.

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Rivux same old me from [a jump to the sky turns to a rider kick] Since: Aug, 2010
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#78660: Aug 23rd 2015 at 6:35:35 PM

sonic is the name, unexpected comebacks are my game

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#78661: Aug 24th 2015 at 6:01:37 AM

Out of curiosity, what is your favorite FE character in Smash?

I'd rank them as this:

  • Roy
  • Lucina
  • Marth
  • Ike
  • Robin

edited 24th Aug '15 6:08:08 AM by powerpuffbats

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#78662: Aug 24th 2015 at 6:27:52 AM

Robin.

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#78663: Aug 24th 2015 at 6:32:23 AM

Robin. She represents a side of FE that shows it's more than swlords, what with his magic and weapon-use limit systems.

Heh. And it actually makes sense that weapon degradation didn't come up until now. Falchion, Ragnell (and I'm assuming the sword of seals?) are the obligatory "sword that doesn't degrade" of their respective games.

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#78664: Aug 24th 2015 at 6:42:57 AM

The sword of seals isn't unbreakable actually

Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
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#78665: Aug 24th 2015 at 6:43:53 AM

[up][up][up][up]

1. Robin (Male spellcaster who primarily uses thunder magic and can use dark magic too? Fuck yeah!)
2. Roy (His retool made him incredibly cool! If not for that, he would probably have been fourth or fifth.)
3. Marth (Actually somewhat comple in terms of fighting style.)
4. Ike (He's cool, but a bit too slow for my liking.)
5. Lucina (Doesn't really stand out too much due to being Easy Modo!Marth. That said, while she's my second-least favorite character, I don't particularly dislike her.)

Didn't I just say that my headcanon has Robin being born around the time Lucina is? This version doesn't even become Chrom's best friend.

It's more like an alternate universe regarding all things Nintendo. My alternate Nintendo universe thing combines all Nintendo franchises into one universe.

Just repeat the MST 3 K Mantra to yourself and try not to make sense of it.

And yes, I'm well aware my thought process doesn't work with Awakening, that's why it's more of an alternate universe. Anytime I've thought of this idea, I've usually had it happen with my alternate universe idea not having Awakening's events happen. Fire Emblem gets affected the most of all Nintendo franchises.

And your headcanon isn't making me willing to suspend my disbelief in it. Especially with how your headcanon tries to justify Lucina's relationship with the Robins.

My Fire Emblem headcanon only applies to an alternate Nintendo universe, my version of a main universe has no Male!Robin at all.

Which itself is deconfirmed by the game and official materials.

Robin gets debate because they are a player avatar that does a good job of being an Audience Surrogate, making the player feel as though they themself are in the game. Guys want male Robin to be the default to feel validated as their self-representation, girls want female Robin to be the default to feel validated as their self-representation (Though there are people who want the opposite-gendered Robin to be the default, usually because they don't care about their status as a player avatar and just have a thing for them. :P).

That too. Too bad for fans of F!Robin that the way Robin made it into Smash ultimately cut off the branches to her disadvantage. What happened to demote her importance will likely never be known, but such is life.

edited 24th Aug '15 6:44:36 AM by Folt

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#78666: Aug 24th 2015 at 6:47:01 AM

[up]Yeah, I'm moving on from that discussion.

In general, my big Nintendo universe makes massive changes to Fire Emblem. It functions a lot like the main Marvel and DC universes. An like I said, most of the time Male!Robin doesn't exist in them.

Now I'm moving on from this particular discussion.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#78667: Aug 24th 2015 at 6:47:13 AM

[up][up][up]Not only that, but it's quite fragile.

[up][up]Yes Folt, we know anyone who prefers female Robin is a moron, you didn't have to write a dissertation on why.

edited 24th Aug '15 6:48:34 AM by Pulse

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BlitzTrain Since: Apr, 2014
#78668: Aug 24th 2015 at 6:56:22 AM

I'd say Robin is my current fave Smash-FE char, but not enough to bother with arguments of Male or Female and/or Canon.

I like the sword/spell setup even if I'm not very good at playing it.

edited 24th Aug '15 6:57:08 AM by BlitzTrain

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#78669: Aug 24th 2015 at 6:59:40 AM

Huh. Alright.

And actually, wasn't the Falchion breakable in the NES original?

Not so much in Awakening, of course.

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#78670: Aug 24th 2015 at 7:03:17 AM

I just kinda wish that there was more representation for the FE weapon triangle, like Hector from Blazing Sword for the axe, or Ephraim from Sacred Stones for the lance. Of course, that discussion's been had many a time before, but I can appreciate why.

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#78671: Aug 24th 2015 at 7:07:28 AM

Yeah. There's a lot to Fire Emblem. Swords, magic, lances, axes, bows, horse riders, Pegasus riders, dragon riders, dragons, cats, wolves, rabbits...

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#78672: Aug 24th 2015 at 7:15:38 AM

[up] Indeed. I mean, even if most of those things don't really mesh well with playable concepts, they're certainly ripe with possibilities for items and/or ATs. Imagine, for instance, if they replaced the boomerang item with a hand-axe, or if they brought in a pegasus sister triangle attack (doesn't really matter which set, though Palla, Catria and Est would probably be the most applicable) for an AT.

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#78673: Aug 24th 2015 at 7:31:34 AM

[up]Sounds like a good assist trophy to me, if nothing else

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#78674: Aug 24th 2015 at 7:40:54 AM

I maintain that certain series are horribly underrepresented in terms of assist trophies (Pokémon obviously not counting since they get the Poké- and Master ball items), given the scope of their history. I mean, only one Fire Emblem AT, and nothing for DK? I mean, seriously, throw in Rambi or one of the other animal buddies!

[down] Exactly what I was thinking. I mean, Rambi is the first DK-based AT that comes to mind because Rambi is the main animal buddy (to the point that he's the only one in the Returns games that you can ride anymore), but there's loads of others. Failing that, you could bring in one of the other members of the Kong Clan.

edited 24th Aug '15 8:19:16 AM by TheHeroHartmut

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#78675: Aug 24th 2015 at 7:50:22 AM

Now that I think about it Gogoat is basically what Rambi could've been.


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