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BlitzTrain Since: Apr, 2014
#78526: Aug 22nd 2015 at 9:43:07 AM

I just got started doing some friendlies in Anther's Ladder today. Can't say anything about the community yet, but their set up for the matches isn't as intimidating as I thought it would be. Playing off of omega stages is weird though... I didn't think Arena Ferox normal would be a legal stage!

That WFT thing is kinda scary though.

EDIT: Pagetopper make replying with arrows awkward tongue

edited 22nd Aug '15 9:44:13 AM by BlitzTrain

Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#78527: Aug 22nd 2015 at 9:52:31 AM

Bah. Oversights/game limitations (I guess they didn't want to ask the Fates player how they customized Robin in Awakening) probably shouldn't be taken literally.

There's no oversight or game limitations at work here. If it was, we would not have things like only M!Robin appearing as a character in Codename S.T.E.A.M. or in Super Mario Maker (as a mystery mushroom). Not only that, but there's a Seal that allow males, and only males to reclass into Robin's Fates class. Having only M!Robin appear is deliberate, and is furthermore inspired from how Robin was worked into Smash. The only canon for Robin in Smash in regards to his fellow Awakening people is that he is good friends with them, nothing more.

edited 22nd Aug '15 9:52:42 AM by Folt

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#78528: Aug 22nd 2015 at 9:55:23 AM

well, that's just dumb. Stickin' with the Awakening interpretation, for not being dumb.

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BlitzTrain Since: Apr, 2014
#78529: Aug 22nd 2015 at 10:04:25 AM

I don't know much about the games themselves or spoilertext. But codename S.T.E.A.M and Mario Maker appearances are from the Smash-based amiibo. Unless there's some non-Smash Robin amiibos running around that I haven't heard of.
Dunno that I'd count that as evidence of anything besides convenience.

Customizable characters and canon sounds like they make for a confusing mess though.

edited 22nd Aug '15 10:12:32 AM by BlitzTrain

strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#78530: Aug 22nd 2015 at 10:10:38 AM

There's similar reasons for why the Male WFT and female Villager aren't used for things other than alternate costumes.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#78531: Aug 22nd 2015 at 10:22:37 AM

Or the Koopalings, or the other 6 villager designs.

Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#78532: Aug 22nd 2015 at 10:24:53 AM

[up][up][up] What tends to happen is that if a customizable avatar appears outside of their debut game as anything other than a customizable avatar, they are often given a canon appearance and voice that developers can use for future appearances if they want to. Super Smash Bros. favoured the male Robin out of the two Robins, so the male Robin is basically the face of that character. You can give similiar arguments for Villager and Wii Fit Trainer.

As such, if Inklings appear, I'm expecting them to make the female Inkling into the face of the Inkling character, with the male Inkling being relegated to all the benefits that alternate costumes get.

edited 22nd Aug '15 10:25:04 AM by Folt

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#78533: Aug 22nd 2015 at 10:33:05 AM

Yeah, the Robins in Smash are basically the faces of the two possible Robins.

Sucks that they didn't make a two-figure amiibo, but it would probably cost more.

edited 22nd Aug '15 10:33:29 AM by Enlong

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Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#78534: Aug 22nd 2015 at 10:34:48 AM

[up][up]You say that as if the female Inkling wasn't the face of the game already. The orange Inkling girl is front and center in pretty much every piece of promotional material.

edited 22nd Aug '15 11:15:20 AM by Elbruno

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#78535: Aug 22nd 2015 at 10:39:07 AM

And the loading screen.

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BlitzTrain Since: Apr, 2014
#78536: Aug 22nd 2015 at 10:50:54 AM

At least Inklings have the benefit of there being a whole lot of them instead of being different interpretations of a single character. I think that's a plus anyway.

Speaking of, Splatoon looks like a lot of fun and I'm considering making it one of the first 3-5 games I get when I have a Wii-U.

...Eventually, when I have a job or something to pay for my gaming habit.

edited 22nd Aug '15 10:52:49 AM by BlitzTrain

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#78537: Aug 22nd 2015 at 11:09:11 AM

Wario, Robin and the Wii Fit trainer have 2 variants with 4 costumes each. Only the default variant made it to amiibo form.

Bowser Jr. and Villager have 8 variants, but only the default one made it to amiibo.

Personally, I think having both Warios, Robins and Wii Fit Trainers in amiibo form, as well as all Koopalings and Villagers, would be a neat move. But alas, misshandling of the whole amiibo deal, not enough units being made.

Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
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#78538: Aug 22nd 2015 at 11:12:22 AM

Yeah, the Robins in Smash are basically the faces of the two possible Robins. Sucks that they didn't make a two-figure amiibo, but it would probably cost more.

Only one Robin gets most of the major focus in the trailer. Only one Robin gets to be the mugshot on the character select screen. Only one Robin gets to be the main trophy and be on Robin's final smash trophy. Only one Robin gets to be the default Robin when it matters (which is actually a lot). Only one Robin gets to be a part of the trophy collection boxes. M!Robin was pretty much the face of the two from the start.

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TechPowah Just a simple hero from the room down the hall Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#78539: Aug 22nd 2015 at 11:16:44 AM

Isn't Female Robin allowed to be used as the CPU during the 1P modes, though?

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Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#78540: Aug 22nd 2015 at 11:18:06 AM

Yeah, same as all characters with alt costumes (sans Jr. in everything but All-Star).

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#78541: Aug 22nd 2015 at 11:18:08 AM

[up][up][up] Alright. So it's back to dumb and ignore-worthy.

edited 22nd Aug '15 11:18:18 AM by Enlong

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#78542: Aug 22nd 2015 at 11:21:45 AM

You say that as if the female Inkling wasn't the face of the game already. The orange Inkling girl is front and center in pretty much every piece of promotional material.
The Inking Boy design was apparently a massive afterthought that came about much later in the conceptual phase, by virtue of the dev team being mostly a bunch of untested relative newcomers who just went and said "hey, why not make a gal the lead, since Nintendo's got so many dudes in the lead roles already?"

Hearing the background on the game's development, it's amazing it came out as cohesive as it did.

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Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
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#78543: Aug 22nd 2015 at 11:43:30 AM

Isn't Female Robin allowed to be used as the CPU during the 1P modes, though?

Depends. Her biggest role is in All-Stars since alternate costumes can actually appear randomly there. In 3DS Classic, she's only really a part of Horde battles (maybe with the exception if you're playing as default M!Robin and fight her along the way), in Wii U Classic, she is part of Rounds 4-5, but M!Robin can appear in any round thanks to being a possible Intruder. M!Robin always appears as the opponent in Wii U All-Star Battle events unless default M!Robin is selected (including in The Ultimate Battle that pits you up against every playable non-DLC fighter in the game). Multi-Man Mode only pits you against F!Robin if default M!Robin isn't chosen (unless you're playing on Rival Smash, in which case F!Robin will alway be your CPU opponent if you're M!Robin and vice versa).

Generally, outside of All-Star and Rival Smash and certain events, if you're not the default M!Robin then expect to not see F!Robin much.

edited 22nd Aug '15 11:44:27 AM by Folt

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#78544: Aug 22nd 2015 at 11:49:07 AM

Exactly the same case as overalls Wario and male Wii Fit Trainer.

A damn shame, if you ask me.

Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#78545: Aug 22nd 2015 at 12:00:24 PM

[up] Pretty much like the rest of the alternate costumes as well.

So yes, M!Robin was meant to be the face of the Robins.

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TechPowah Just a simple hero from the room down the hall Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Just a simple hero
#78546: Aug 22nd 2015 at 1:10:31 PM

So what is the procedure about Villager and Jr./the Koopalings, then?

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#78547: Aug 22nd 2015 at 1:11:25 PM

Their alts will also occasionally appear in All-Star Mode.

Wireframe Mac also sometimes replaces regular Mac.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#78548: Aug 22nd 2015 at 1:36:29 PM

I kinda wish Pink Villager, Female Robin, Male Wii Fit Trainer and Wireframe Challenger got amiibo, anyway- The Koopalings I could take or leave, since there's no possibility for debate there as to whether Jr.'s top dog or not.

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HeavyDDR Who's Vergo-san. from Central Texas Since: Jul, 2009
Who's Vergo-san.
#78549: Aug 22nd 2015 at 2:25:51 PM

Pink Villager is overhyped, green girl is where it's at.

I'm pretty sure the concept of Law having limits was a translation error. -Wanderlustwarrior
powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#78550: Aug 22nd 2015 at 3:07:41 PM

I usually play with the headcanon of both Male and Female!Robins existing at once. One is Lucina's love interest and the other is her mother. Although in my headcanon I usually refer to the Male one as "Reflet" to avoid confusion.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!

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