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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#78351: Aug 18th 2015 at 12:54:21 PM

I think it would be safe to dair off ledges if you had two or more stock left and your opponent only had one.

This is key if you want to Bowsercide/Kirbycide.

Thing is, my friends and I can't really time aerials unless they take you straight down (ie: Link, Sonic, Greninja, Sheik), or for me, Wario and Meta Knight's uairs.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
BlitzTrain Since: Apr, 2014
#78353: Aug 18th 2015 at 1:24:32 PM

Wow, you must fight a lot of Ikes to know how far they're going to land when they use that move to recover.

The closest I've done is watch one go from one side of off-stage to SD on the other. Too bad I can't do anything with my replays tongue

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#78354: Aug 18th 2015 at 1:34:02 PM

When my friend (the Link player) uses like, he tries to spam Ike's neutral b (forgot the name). Sometimes my other friend and I will be stupid enough to charge at him, but we can be smart and just wait it out. He doesn't think to change his strategies when they fail.

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HeavyDDR Who's Vergo-san. from Central Texas Since: Jul, 2009
Who's Vergo-san.
#78355: Aug 18th 2015 at 2:10:46 PM

Very satisfying to call out Ike, Fox, and Falco on their side-special recovery. Another reason I love the Jet Hammer so much, charging it up while also getting into position.

I'm pretty sure the concept of Law having limits was a translation error. -Wanderlustwarrior
Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#78356: Aug 18th 2015 at 2:13:58 PM

Wouldn't Quick Draw beat out Hammer altogether?

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#78357: Aug 18th 2015 at 2:20:11 PM

Guess who managed to get a preorder of the Amiibo Retro 3-Pack! It's me!

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#78358: Aug 18th 2015 at 2:38:17 PM

[up]Congratulations. I'm still waiting on my three remaining birthday amiibo that should hopefully arrive by the end of the week.

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HeavyDDR Who's Vergo-san. from Central Texas Since: Jul, 2009
Who's Vergo-san.
#78359: Aug 18th 2015 at 2:41:01 PM

[up][up][up]Not if you stay out of its range. Most Ikes using Quick Draw are looking to get back on stage, and landing an attack is a bonus. Since they've put themselves on a time limit to unleash the attack, you can usually figure out where they're gonna land, and just waddle over into that location. Even if you're not right there when he attacks, there's enough endlag for you to walk where he is and let loose. Jet Hammer comes out extremely fast, all things considered.

Waiting for them to counter, too, can get you an extra second of charge, since any Ike would loooove to get a fat turnaround like that.

Edit: Funny enough, I just ordered the retro pack myself. Though I really only want ROB. Oh well.

edited 18th Aug '15 2:41:36 PM by HeavyDDR

I'm pretty sure the concept of Law having limits was a translation error. -Wanderlustwarrior
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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#78361: Aug 18th 2015 at 7:54:09 PM

amiibo fighters confirmed to be made of witchcraft.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#78362: Aug 18th 2015 at 8:14:12 PM

Yeah, if my experiences with my Shulk amiibo are any indication, the idea that amiibos "learn" from you is a load of crock. They just have a standard AI level that progresses as they approach 50.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#78363: Aug 18th 2015 at 8:21:00 PM

They actually do learn, a professional tournament let an amiibo play, and it started using top-level strategies not found in the AI.

Plus, you can train amiibo to literally only spam one move. I've done it and there are plenty of videos proving it.

They probably just have a base AI to work from so the younger children don't have really crappy partners when they train their amiibo.

edited 18th Aug '15 8:21:17 PM by EpicBleye

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#78364: Aug 18th 2015 at 8:31:54 PM

They're still not as flexible as a real live human player, but there's indeed variants in FP behavior that can be best explained as them copying human players.

I sure said that!
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#78365: Aug 18th 2015 at 8:33:19 PM

Hmm.

My Shulk amiibo doesn't fight anything like how I taught it. It uses Jump and Shield very often whereas I focus more on Buster and Smash, it rarely uses Air Slash to attack, only to recover, and it doesn't do the side-taunt after every kill.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Geist-Fox loafing about from north Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
loafing about
#78366: Aug 18th 2015 at 11:29:21 PM

There has been much theorising on amiibo.

Some people firmly believe that between the Lv 20 to 30 range any habits they pick up will be sticking around more stubbornly. There isn't any proof other than people claiming it to be the case.

Some say bad habits can be eradicated by punishing said habits harshly, preferably leading to a KO. Others say the only hope is to reset the damn thing.

Though it would make most sense that Smash just has a specific AI code for amiibo that increases profiency as it levels up, but is capable of mimicking player input. They do favor winning tactics though, so if the player is using a new combo to win, they might pick up on that.

Then the combined result of the behaviours are saved on the amiibos data chip.

BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
Hey there! Having fun?
#78367: Aug 19th 2015 at 6:03:41 AM

Amiibos learn the how, but not the why. Try to teach them how to pressure, and then they just spam because they don't know what the pressure's for and think what they're doing is just as good.

"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
Geist-Fox loafing about from north Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
loafing about
#78368: Aug 19th 2015 at 6:50:01 AM

amiibo "thought" pattern:

  • Phase one: Does that thing player does result in victory?
    • Yes: DO IT!
    • No: Meh. Probably won't copy that. Probably.
  • Phase two: Is what I'm doing resulting in a loss?
    • Yes: OMG WAT DO?! Refer to phase one.
    • No: Keep it up!

Atleast, that's how it's coming off and explains how some habits stick stubbornly. Like mine jumping around constantly. Still no idea what the hell gave them that idea.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#78370: Aug 19th 2015 at 1:03:55 PM

I would only say that a character has no chance if they both didn't appear in a game first and have not appeared on a Nintendo console. So, while I'd like to see Deadpool in Smash Bros him not really being on a Nintendo system hurts him more than, say, Goku or Sailor Moon.

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strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#78371: Aug 19th 2015 at 1:30:35 PM

I doubt that characters from non-video game media would have a shot at being in Smash. But people will vote for them anyway.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#78372: Aug 19th 2015 at 1:53:12 PM

They'd be lucky to get Mii costumes if anything. I wouldn't mind that. But yeah, you should still vote for your favorite character anyway. Even if they stand no chance. That's literally the point of the poll anyway. See what people like. Tons of choices will be glanced over as is.

Shadow?
Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#78373: Aug 19th 2015 at 1:55:12 PM

What is the coming Splatfest but foreshadowing of the glorious reveal of Optimus Prime joining the Smash?

Joking Mode

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#78374: Aug 19th 2015 at 2:03:07 PM

The point of the poll is to give them potential ideas for new characters, not a pure popularity contest. The most popular character might not even get in if Sakurai can't figure out how to make him/her work.

I personally feel like voting for characters without video game origins, Ridleynote , or Snakenote  is a waste of time. Vote for characters that actually have a chance in getting in.

edited 19th Aug '15 2:06:42 PM by Karxrida

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#78375: Aug 19th 2015 at 2:08:48 PM

Like Ice Climbers

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy

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