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BurntMario Oh hai TV Tropes from Your nightmares Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#78326: Aug 18th 2015 at 9:04:01 AM

That was to coincide with the release of The Wind Waker HD in Japan.

To be fair, though, Toon Link does have some moves that are completely different from Link's, and his custom moves are different as well.

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#78327: Aug 18th 2015 at 9:06:47 AM

He's overall still just Link + mobility, though.

Then again, Link is now Link + launch power, so it's not as uneven as it used to be.

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#78328: Aug 18th 2015 at 9:07:26 AM

I'm not saying I don't support him. I just find it funny that he was confirmed so early when he was a last-minute addition to two games in a row.

Yes, I am referring to Toon Link and Young Link as the same character. Stop kidding yourselves by saying they aren't.

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strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#78329: Aug 18th 2015 at 9:13:34 AM

They aren't. They may look similar, but Young Link is the Link from Majora's Mask and the child portions of Ocarina of Time. Toon Link is the Link(s) from Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass, and possibly Spirit Tracks. If they were the same, they would have the same moveset and taunts.

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#78330: Aug 18th 2015 at 9:15:14 AM

[up]I think he means that Young Link has been succeeded by Toon Link.

And technically, Young Link is back via the Fierce Deity alt for regular Link.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#78331: Aug 18th 2015 at 9:20:25 AM

[up][up] By that logic Link and Link are different characters, because one is the Oo T one, and the other the TP one.

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#78332: Aug 18th 2015 at 9:21:18 AM

I think he means that Young Link has been succeeded by Toon Link.

AKA why Toon Link is in-between Dr. Mario and the Brawl veterans on the All-Star Battle: Secret event.

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#78333: Aug 18th 2015 at 9:21:22 AM

They aren't. *mic drop*

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strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#78334: Aug 18th 2015 at 9:49:03 AM

[up][up][up]That's true. The Link in Melee and the Link in Brawl are not the same Link, due to being based off of different games. The character is still Link though. They both play relatively the same as each other. You can't say that Toon Link is nearly the exact same character as Young Link though. The only reason people think that is because they're both younger Links, and "clones" of regular Link.

edited 18th Aug '15 9:49:13 AM by strawberryflavored

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#78335: Aug 18th 2015 at 9:54:36 AM

[up] Young Link and Toon Link are based upon the same core concept of a Child Link.

That's all they have in common besides being semi-clones at most.

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#78336: Aug 18th 2015 at 10:07:22 AM

And of course we aren't allowed to be spared from any of this because Sakurai couldn't be bothered to treat one returning character the same way he treats all the others.

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#78337: Aug 18th 2015 at 10:09:20 AM

You overestimate the internet if you think having both around would defuse any arguments about them.

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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
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#78338: Aug 18th 2015 at 10:14:12 AM

Well yes, having three Links around would only stoke the flames if anything.

I was referring to calling the newer young Link Young Link and being done with it. Especially when the "previous" Young Link is lower than Pichu tier as far as desirable veterans are concerned.

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#78339: Aug 18th 2015 at 10:14:47 AM

Legend of Zelda uses two versions of Link, depending on what they find most appropriate to the game: child Link or adult Link. Young/Toon Link and Link thus represent the concept of child Link and adult Link in the Zelda series respectively in Super Smash Bros., not any specific Zelda game in particular.

That said, Young Link is a clone of Link, having a tweaked version of Link's moveset. When Brawl came around, Sakurai probably wanted to luigify Young Link in a similiar vein to Luigi, Falco, Ganondorf, etc. (and most likely with Roy too: It's probably why Roy's back as DLC in Smash 4... there's probably some hints that this was supposed to happen with Dr. Mario back then too like giving vanilla Mario the FLUDD as a special move), but since Brawl gave Link the Twilight Princess design, Sakurai likely didn't want to use the OOT design again. Toon Link probably had the perfect design for an evolved "child Link" and making the two Links more distinct.

edited 18th Aug '15 10:15:01 AM by Folt

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#78340: Aug 18th 2015 at 11:52:44 AM

Yeah, exactly. Just like Melee Falco and Brawl Falco play completely differently, Toon Link plays how Young Link most likely would have if he'd returned.

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#78341: Aug 18th 2015 at 11:54:11 AM

How do I do down aerials offstage without fast falling to my death?

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#78342: Aug 18th 2015 at 11:57:44 AM

You don't.

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strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#78343: Aug 18th 2015 at 12:14:55 PM

C-stick, though certain characters like Greninja, Sonic, Toon Link, etc. should never down air offstage unless you're sure that it will work.

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#78344: Aug 18th 2015 at 12:15:10 PM

... Well realistically speaking, it'd be like doing a down tilt. Don't press control stick all the way when doing the attack. Alternatively, use c-stick if it's set for attacks, or improve your timing when pressing attack with a direction to make them simultaneous.

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#78345: Aug 18th 2015 at 12:19:04 PM

And certain characters like Bowser and Zamus should never dair off the ledge at all.

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#78346: Aug 18th 2015 at 12:19:04 PM

Sonic can actually use D-Air at ledge height and still make it back from what I've heard.

edited 18th Aug '15 12:19:24 PM by FullMoon

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#78347: Aug 18th 2015 at 12:30:03 PM

I use Quick Draw a lot with Ike to maneuver, including from offstage. And against this one Toon Link who kept just jumping above me and spamming D-air, well... let's just say: "Toro! Toro! Olé!"

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#78348: Aug 18th 2015 at 12:33:27 PM

Speaking of the plummeting D-airs, it always throws me off if they end up slowfalling. Or worse, if I do it accidentally. I have yet to figure out why that happens.

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#78349: Aug 18th 2015 at 12:38:39 PM

Probably when you do it after being launched up. Upward momentum minus downward momentum.

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HeavyDDR Who's Vergo-san. from Central Texas Since: Jul, 2009
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#78350: Aug 18th 2015 at 12:38:50 PM

I think it's a momentum thing, to avoid canceling out of being tossed around, but I don't really mess with characters like that.

I'm pretty sure the concept of Law having limits was a translation error. -Wanderlustwarrior

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