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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#77876: Aug 7th 2015 at 1:53:14 PM

To some extent, I think the initial disappointment in the rosters of Brawl and Smash 4 come down to how front-loaded they were- Almost all of the newcomers are unlocked from the start. In Brawl, Lucario and R.O.B. are the only newcomers that are both unlockable and not built like previous characters, and Bowser Jr. and Duck Hunt are the only totally-unique newcomers in Smash 4- And Jr.'s unlocked from the start in for Wii U.

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#77877: Aug 7th 2015 at 1:58:08 PM

[up] >implying that there's nothing special about the Villager...

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#77878: Aug 7th 2015 at 1:59:13 PM

Starter:
Mario
Peach
Bowser
Rosalina
Yoshi
Wario
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Link
Toon Link
Zelda
Samus
Zero Suit Samus
Pit
Palutena
Marth
Robin
Kirby
King Dedede
Fox
Pikachu
Charizard
Greninja
Villager
Olimar
Wii Fit Trainer
Little Mac
Pac-Man
Mega Man
Sonic
Mii Fighters

Unlockable:
Luigi
Dr. Mario
Bowser Jr.
Sheik
Ganondorf
Dark Pit
Ike
Lucina
Meta Knight
Falco
Jigglypuff
Lucario
Ness
Captain Falcon
Shulk
Mr. Game & Watch
R.O.B.
Duck Hunt

edited 7th Aug '15 1:59:26 PM by Anomalocaris20

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BurntMario Oh hai TV Tropes from Your nightmares Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#77879: Aug 7th 2015 at 2:02:48 PM

The developers must have been in a sticky situation because they had to reveal most of the newcomers before release (since the budget that went to cutscenes was used for the newcomer trailers). Thus, those newcomers had to become starters. However, most of them, such as Robin and Greninja, come from existing universes, so they ended up getting lumped in with familiar starter characters like Marth and Pikachu.

If they were going to make the unlock methods so underwhelming, they should have at least made everyone available from the start in the Wii U version as originally intended. (For instance, it was weird when Gamer became a default stage and Ashley became an Assist Trophy while you still had to unlock Wario himself.) Unlocking a good chunk of a 50+ character roster would take a lot of time, I'd imagine, so why lock so little of them in the first place?

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#77880: Aug 7th 2015 at 2:03:35 PM

Starter:

Everyone

I have a message from another time...
Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#77881: Aug 7th 2015 at 2:05:08 PM

Nah.

Also, Wario becoming unlockable was ridiculous.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#77882: Aug 7th 2015 at 2:06:27 PM

Unlockable:

Everyone but Mario.

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#77883: Aug 7th 2015 at 2:07:48 PM

wild mass guess Brawl was rated T for crude humor (among other things), so maybe they locked away Wario to preserve an E10+ rating? wild mass guess

It was most likely done because they'd already promoted Luigi as a starter character.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#77884: Aug 7th 2015 at 2:09:42 PM

That doesn't mean anything- The ESRB, CERO and all the rest will give the same rating for something in a game regardless on if it's hidden or not. It's why the ESRB gives Shin Megami Tensei games a T rating unless they feature Mara.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#77885: Aug 7th 2015 at 2:11:14 PM

And Tharja's trophy was axed for that kind of reasons I assume.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#77886: Aug 7th 2015 at 2:12:26 PM

That one is a big question, honestly- Her bikini-over-body-stocking look isn't really any more revealing than Zero Suit Samus' clubbing gear.

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#77887: Aug 7th 2015 at 2:15:29 PM

I actually found Master Core to be a more fun boss than any of the Brawl bosses.

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#77888: Aug 7th 2015 at 2:15:57 PM

Wario definitely had more prominence in Brawl when he was one of the first new characters introduced. Everyone knew of that ultra-lethal fart attack of his. In 4, he plays more of a backseat role among 54 other characters, and he doesn't even appear in the Wii U intro or any of the trailers.

Regardless, Wario is definitely the worst kept secret in the Smash series.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#77889: Aug 7th 2015 at 2:24:09 PM

And again, that doesn't matter for ratings- It's binary, as far as ratings boards are concerned. Is there farting or penis chariots or whatever or not- If yes, rating gets bumped, regardless of how minor they are to the game.

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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#77890: Aug 7th 2015 at 2:28:13 PM

[up][up]Wario's lack of coverage is because of his "unlockable" status, not just in addition to it.

Which is more than Meta Knight and co. can say, at any rate.

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#77891: Aug 7th 2015 at 2:57:04 PM

I'm still not going to understand why Nintendo wanted to Sm4sh to have an "E10+" rating yet were perfectly fine with Melee and Brawl having a T rating.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#77892: Aug 7th 2015 at 3:02:22 PM

I'm pretty sure that E10 wasn't really a rating back then. If I'm not mistaken, the rating for the series has always been the same elsewhere.

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#77893: Aug 7th 2015 at 3:02:43 PM

I don't think they decide, the rating system does.

Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#77894: Aug 7th 2015 at 3:02:55 PM

Sakurai's sentiments towards the bonus features is nice, but it just doesn't hold up - there'll be people who won't like the features, and won't enjoy playing through those features just simply because there's something to do towards 'completing' the game, like all the Challenges in Smash Run.

These people will go through the modes they don't like, or do the challenges they don't enjoy, simply because they want to complete the game's 'checklist' of challenges.

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#77895: Aug 7th 2015 at 3:06:37 PM

[up][up][up]It wasn't in Melee's timeframe, but Brawl came out far later than, say, Shadow The Hedgehog.

edited 7th Aug '15 3:06:53 PM by Demonfly

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ConstipatedWaffle For The Most Ridley-culous Cause from The Edge Of Insanity Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
For The Most Ridley-culous Cause
#77896: Aug 7th 2015 at 3:14:03 PM

Brawl's more realistic art style might have had something to do with it. My personal theory though is that Snake's moveset alone encouraged the rating (could be wrong ofc).

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Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#77897: Aug 7th 2015 at 3:43:02 PM

I'm in love (Peach Combo Montage video). And poor Ganon. tongue

I didn't know PM had exclusive music. That Super Mario World Castle remix sounded pretty good.

edited 7th Aug '15 3:46:38 PM by Customer

Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#77898: Aug 7th 2015 at 5:42:27 PM

PM is a mod. It could have a carameldansen remix of Never Gonna Give You Up if you so wanted.

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Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#77899: Aug 7th 2015 at 6:14:18 PM

I know, but the description made me believe it was specifically made to fit with PM's Bowser's Castle stage. I found the original song though.

BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
Hey there! Having fun?
#77900: Aug 7th 2015 at 7:22:10 PM

@77897: The track on Hanenbow WAS composed specifically for PM and is included with every install.

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