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Hungryguy I am a Rad Reptile. from inside a cheese wheel Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#77751: Aug 4th 2015 at 4:27:29 PM

I often pummel. Even with Bowser. It tend to spam the grab button when I grab, so I always end up doing at least one.

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Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#77752: Aug 4th 2015 at 4:37:26 PM

Robin has the worst pummel in the game, because Sakurai saw fit to give him a lot of "worst x in the game"s. And honestly Robin's reward/difficulty ratio is probably on the lower side of the spectrum.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#77753: Aug 4th 2015 at 4:39:50 PM

It turns out that I still get confused when people refer to Robin as "him".

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Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#77754: Aug 4th 2015 at 4:42:49 PM

Shrug. Lots of people default to her, but I played Awakening as a male Robin and use his black-haired alt, so for me it's a he. Folt will probably tell you all about the reasoning behind considering Robin canonically male if you let him.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#77755: Aug 4th 2015 at 4:46:23 PM

Smash Robin has male as a default, but Awakening Robin is, for me, female (and Korrin from Fates is, again, for me, male).

There is no canon, there are only outrealms.

BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#77756: Aug 4th 2015 at 4:50:54 PM

Sometimes I feel like Fates was made primarily to calm down people who were pissed about Robin getting in instead of Chrom.

  • Fanbase: "But he's not even the main character!"
  • Nintendo: *makes a game where he is unambiguously the sole main character*

edited 4th Aug '15 4:51:47 PM by BaffleBlend

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#77757: Aug 4th 2015 at 4:56:05 PM

Male Robin is rather clearly used as the default Robin within the context of Smash. The trophy, character select screen, and default costume all use the male one. The female one just got an official render on the site and a bit more fanfare than the male WFT and alt Villagers.

Like all special alt costumes, though, female Robin can show up in All-Star Mode replacing male Robin.

I don't see why it's such a point of contention besides andro/gynocentrism, however. Being the default option doesn't really mean squat since the game never forces you to use that.

edited 4th Aug '15 4:57:50 PM by Anomalocaris20

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HeavyDDR Who's Vergo-san. from Central Texas Since: Jul, 2009
Who's Vergo-san.
#77758: Aug 4th 2015 at 4:58:43 PM

Does Robin really have a lot of "worsts?" I mean maybe the pummel is that bad, but I've never played Robin and felt like I was at a disadvantage immediately. I know it can be difficult keeping momentum but it's always seemed like Robin has had a lot of tricks to use.

I'm pretty sure the concept of Law having limits was a translation error. -Wanderlustwarrior
MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#77759: Aug 4th 2015 at 5:08:25 PM

[up][up][up]Nintendo: *makes a game where he is unambiguously the sole main character*

STOP RIGHT THERE!

Sorry. I just don't like it when people ignore the difference between first-party and third-party companies.

edited 4th Aug '15 5:08:38 PM by MightyMatilda

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BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#77760: Aug 4th 2015 at 5:14:43 PM

[up]Second-party. Third means completely unaffiliated. No matter the developer, Nintendo's got FE primarily under its thumb.

edited 4th Aug '15 5:16:10 PM by BaffleBlend

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#77761: Aug 4th 2015 at 5:15:16 PM

Robin is Robin.

By transitive properties, this of course means Chrom is Batman.

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Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
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#77762: Aug 4th 2015 at 5:23:02 PM

For what it's worth, Robin is available on Fates as a DLC character and is exclusively male, as is his special class.

Anyway, Smash Robin. Yeah, it's not immediately apparent, but Robin has several notable flaws — worst running speed after Jigglypuff (and doesn't have her aerial mobility), awful grab range and endlag, worst pummel, poor frame data in general. In things like weight, aerial mobility and tilts he's average. He excels at smashes (in power, at least), aerials and especially his specials (hue). But you can't go in guns blazing spamming smashes and projectiles and expect to do well with him, you have to learn to use his tools and options (including dropped tomes and swords) in order to patch up his weaknesses. He's not a spammy character like Link or a powerhouse like Ganondorf.

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IceAnt573 Forever not amused. Since: May, 2015
Forever not amused.
#77763: Aug 4th 2015 at 5:28:09 PM

Specials got even better with endlag reduction to the point where you pretty much have to spot dodge or jump out of Arcthunder's way or else you'll get hit by Arcthunder or grabbed.

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#77764: Aug 4th 2015 at 5:56:09 PM

[up][up] re: Fates thing: Man, that's dumb.

And inaccurate. Morgan and/or Lucina kick so much ass as Tacticians.

edited 4th Aug '15 5:56:26 PM by Enlong

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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
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#77765: Aug 4th 2015 at 6:05:54 PM

Lucina gets the Lord line all to herself as well; it has nothing to do with Robin specifically.

edited 4th Aug '15 6:07:43 PM by Demonfly

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#77766: Aug 4th 2015 at 6:10:31 PM

Kamui's class is Darkblood, right?

Which means Lord + Manakete, but still.

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#77767: Aug 4th 2015 at 6:13:22 PM

Some people here don't know what's going with Fates and would rather find stuff out when they actually play the game guys.

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#77768: Aug 4th 2015 at 6:16:58 PM

All details mentioned here have been part of its advertising long before the games came out. Nothing has been spoiled.

[up][up]Technically that's the Nohr side of the coin, but yes.

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BlitzTrain Since: Apr, 2014
Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#77770: Aug 4th 2015 at 6:31:28 PM

In Japan, it's been out for a month.

Also, most of the stuff discussed here revolved around pre-release information.

And, the fact that alternate skins didn't get their own amiibo variants was a bad move. Palette swaps I get it, but come on, Koopaling figurines? Female Robin? Overalls Wario?

Come the fuck on.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#77771: Aug 4th 2015 at 6:32:07 PM

[up][up]In Japan, yes.

We've got 'til at least Q1 2016 for an English release, though. Similar will probably end up being true for SMT X FE, too.

[up]No that it matters much- Most of those wouldn't be stocked by shops because amiibo are assumed to be toys and as such only the super-broad kid-appeal stuff is manufactured and stocked commonly. It's why Peach is flippin' everywhere and Captain Falcon is AWOL.

edited 4th Aug '15 6:34:15 PM by Pulse

I sure said that!
FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#77772: Aug 4th 2015 at 6:36:04 PM

Oh huh. I haven't really followed Fates news so.

BlitzTrain Since: Apr, 2014
#77773: Aug 4th 2015 at 6:37:44 PM

Ah, good to know. I haven't really followed the Fates news either tongue

Anyway, I'm fine without reskin amiibos. But I dunno if I'll get any in the first place, so...

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#77774: Aug 4th 2015 at 6:51:15 PM

Ryu is better for Smash Tour, another character i don't quite "get" when it comes to fighting other people. Went in and bought him and his stage for both versions, went through so many damn updates, Wii U game, 3DS system, 3DS game. Blargh.

I've gotten quite rusty against other people too. Ah well.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#77775: Aug 4th 2015 at 8:04:01 PM

I would definitely buy Female Robin, and maybe overalls Wario. I'd like to see how Wireframe Mac would look as an amiibo.

And honestly Robin's amiibo being the Male one is the only reason why I refuse to get their amiibo. I can't stand the Male version for some reason. It might be his voice.

Also, I remember someone on the amiibo thread here saying that all the figures we are getting should be uncommon at worst, with the gender (Female!Robin, Female!Villager, Male!WFT), character (Koopalings and Alph), and costume (Overalls Wario, Swimsuit Shulk, Swimsuit ZSS, Pink Hoodie Mac, and Wireframe Mac) alts being rare. Someone at Nintendo should have realized that they do have a massive adult fanbase that would buy figures of Star Fox/F-Zero/Punch-Kid Icarus/Pikmin (Which IS well known by teenagers of today who grew up with the Game Cube)/Fire Emblem/MOTHER characters in addition to Mario/Zelda/Kirby/Pokemon characters.

The fact that I'm gonna have to import from Japan or flat out order from Amazon (the cases of Yoshi, Charizard, and Wario) is a bad sign of how scarce several figures are in my area alone, and the US by extension.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!

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