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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#77576: Aug 1st 2015 at 10:02:08 AM

He got the Speed (at least for running) right for Charizard vs Pikachu; Zard is faster in Pokemon.

edited 1st Aug '15 10:02:24 AM by Karxrida

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#77577: Aug 1st 2015 at 10:20:34 AM

I'm not making any point as to how much sense it makes. All I meant to say is that using a comparison to other Pokemon is outside what the post you responded to was saying, since it was comparing Mewtwo to Mewtwo.

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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
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#77578: Aug 1st 2015 at 10:37:21 AM

The post I was responding to was in fact making a point as to how much sense it makes.

The simple answer to all of this is that a character got dicked over (again) because Sakurai, with quite possibly no second opinions taken into account, thought it'd be within everyone's best interests to do so. I have no clue what it is with this thread and everywhere else's devoted attempts to divert blame away from the franchise's director whenever something negative pops up, but ever since 4 has released it's gotten truly tiresome.

edited 1st Aug '15 10:38:52 AM by Demonfly

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#77579: Aug 1st 2015 at 10:39:34 AM

Apparently downloaded/shared stages only show up for the user who downloaded it now.

I really hope this means the 94 hard-limit's been relaxed, but I doubt it. I'm gonna test it later.

edited 1st Aug '15 10:41:12 AM by BaffleBlend

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#77580: Aug 1st 2015 at 10:47:44 AM

Yes, they were saying it makes sense.

Thing is, they were saying it makes sense because Mewtwo's stats are, for a Legendary, slanted heavily in favor of Special Attack and speed. Your rebuttal was a comparison to Charizard's and Lucario's stats. Which, while a totally valid point, isn't exactly the point they were on about. Like, if they'd said "Mewtwo's defenive stats are the worst among the Pokemon in Smash", that'd be outright incorrect for the reasons shown in your link.

Of course, I personally think that a Smash pokemon's weight should be based on their weight, not defense.

Which of course brings to mind the kind of hilrious juxtaposition of Smash Rosalina (floaty, sort of lightweight) to Mario Kart Rosalina (same weight class as Bowser).

Idle thought. I wonder what the playable Pokemons' stats would look like if their base stat totals were made the same, while keeping their personal ratios intact.

edited 1st Aug '15 10:49:43 AM by Enlong

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#77581: Aug 1st 2015 at 10:58:21 AM

Well, Pikachu and Jigglypuff are FAR below the other 4 (Charizard has a stat total about twice of Jigglypuff's, and Mewtwo is a tad over twice Pikachu's).

The average base stat total among Smash Pokemon would be 476 (for example, Manectric has 475, and so did Raichu until this gen bumped it up to 485). And their distributions would be the following, more or less:

  • Pikachu: 52 HP/82 Atk/60 Def/74 Sp Atk/74 Sp Def/134 Speed
  • Charizard: 69 HP/75 Atk/69 Def/97 Sp Atk/76 Sp Def/89 Speed
  • Jigglypuff: 203 HP/79 Atk/35 Def/79 Sp Atk/44 Sp Def/35 Speed
  • Mewtwo: 74 HP/77 Atk/63 Def/107 Sp Atk/63 Sp Def/91 Speed
  • Lucario: 63 HP/100 Atk/63 Def/104 Sp Atk/63 Sp Def/82 Speed
  • Greninja: 65 HP/85 Atk/60 Def/92 Sp Atk/64 Sp Def/110 Speed

So yeah.

edited 1st Aug '15 11:12:59 AM by Eriorguez

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#77582: Aug 1st 2015 at 11:17:05 AM

Fun Fact: Mewtwo's a fatass and has a good 70 lbs on Charizard. He technically should be one of the heaviest characters.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#77583: Aug 1st 2015 at 11:18:55 AM

It ain't fat- Lookit those thighs, that's pure muscle.

Hell, it's so strong it gets to be a Fighting type if you really really want it to play with its weaker movepool.

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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#77584: Aug 1st 2015 at 11:23:14 AM

Mega Mewtwo X is legit. When the only format you're allowed in is filled with even fatter asses like Groudon, Low Kick is good enough since it's pretty much always at max power.

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#77585: Aug 1st 2015 at 11:32:16 AM

And he gets a nice suite of coveted physical moves, such as Earthquake, Stone Edge, the elemental Punches, and Aqua Tail.

Also, Dive, of all things. not Surf or Waterfall. Dive.

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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#77586: Aug 1st 2015 at 11:39:14 AM

All of those bar Dive are handed out like candy, especially Earthquake and Stone Edge.

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#77587: Aug 1st 2015 at 11:43:16 AM

Yes.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#77588: Aug 1st 2015 at 11:43:19 AM

Weaker is a relative statement regarding Mewtwo's movepool, but it has more interesting options available to it Specially than Physically- Like Flamethrower! And Ice Beam! And Aura Sphere! We've technically got two Aura master 'mons in Smash now.

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#77589: Aug 1st 2015 at 11:44:22 AM

If we still had PKMN Trainer, we'd have 3.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#77590: Aug 1st 2015 at 12:00:52 PM

Now that I think about it, this probably doesn't matter much since Mewtwo is fairly slow with weak moves, which is very different from its stats in the Pokemon games.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#77591: Aug 1st 2015 at 12:08:57 PM

Mewtwo is quite faster and harder hitting in 4 than in Melee, in any case.

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#77592: Aug 1st 2015 at 12:49:52 PM

What's Confusion even supposed to do? Even if it hits, the opponent can and will attack before the end of the animation.

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#77593: Aug 1st 2015 at 12:53:17 PM

Enlong: Is that because Squirtle can learn Aura Sphere as an egg move now?

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#77594: Aug 1st 2015 at 12:56:10 PM

Ayup. In service of Mega Blastoise's new Mega Launcher skill.

Kind of wish Lucario got Mega Launcher. A skill that enhances Pulse and Aura moves, and he ain't got it.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#77595: Aug 1st 2015 at 12:56:55 PM

[up][up][up]It's a reflector.

edited 1st Aug '15 12:57:42 PM by Pulse

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#77596: Aug 1st 2015 at 1:12:53 PM

Mega Lucario already gets one of the best abilities in the game. If anyone needs Mega Launcher, it's Hydreigon.

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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
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#77597: Aug 1st 2015 at 1:22:55 PM

The sole other function of Confusion is that it helps for horizontal recovery and general navigation in midair.

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#77598: Aug 1st 2015 at 1:24:56 PM

... can I just say

It's justified to make Mewtwo a lightweight. Just not that much of a lightweight. Is what I was saying. tongue

I can see where Samus would be hard to balance, having a lot of utility and various projectiles at her disposal, but some of those things shown in the video are just ridiculous in comparison to what many other characters have at their disposal, if not broken. That dash attack really needs to get fixed if we're gonna have so many others have the same motion but better.

I guess the "balance" is that a fully charged beam is pretty deadly at even low percentages, flies far, and can come out quickly, but I don't think anyone has that hard of a time avoiding it, or interrupting it.

Nah, overall Samus is pretty easily comparable to other characters with lots of projectiles, which makes it pretty easily visible that she was screwed over. Always was and always will be. What I was thinking of was not that her nature as a character with a lot of projectiles makes her hard to balance, it's that there's just so much garbage designed right into her. Like, they rebalanced and re-animated stuff to an extent, but they still stuck pretty close to what the characters have always been like, so Samus is still stuck with a ridiculously bad firing rate and knockback for even her uncharged beam while comparable characters can just spam their shots as they please and her set of standard moves is still a random mess of attacks with no rhyme or reason to them.

... of course, none of that explains why even with all the drawbacks everything about her is still so weak.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#77599: Aug 1st 2015 at 1:32:37 PM

But her Charge Shot is a projectile, yet it has launch power to it at full charge! Clearly OP.

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#77600: Aug 1st 2015 at 1:35:22 PM

Oh man you're right

god, imagine if they made another metallic character who can shoot deadly lasers that move at great speed and can be aimed anywhere and has a chargeable projectile that can be tossed as an item and has the power to KO and actually has decent melee moves as well

that would be ridiculous

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